You're the GM this offseason. What do you do?

NUMBERICA said:

Why do you keep lumping Conley in with Love? Love is not nearly as good and his contract is twice as long.

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He is also not a playmaker at all... Locke brought up some great points on Conley... he’s never played with good wings or backcourt running mates. He’s old but I wonder what he could unlock with other floor spacers and playmakers around him.

I think his game will age well... he’s fast but he’s more crafty than some... his floater game could be good until he’s 50.

We’d have three all star level players and an elite role player in Joe Ingles... with some other nice pieces like Royce and Crowder (unless he was in the trade).

It would be nice to get an elite FA to say yes but I’d say Conley is the second best plan out there...

Also I think we should get Caruso

NUMBERICA said:

Why do you keep lumping Conley in with Love? Love is not nearly as good and his contract is twice as long.

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Because I think both of them represent desperation. To get Conley, we are going to have to give up more than just the incredible amount of cap space it takes to pay him the next two years. We are going to have to shell out a 1st rounder or 2 and probably players too.

Love will cost us less to get, and cost us less the next two years. His other two years suck, but if we give up so much for Conley, we will pay him too. I guarantee the next 4 years of Conley will cost around the same as the next 4 years of Love.

Both still represent the same thing - an older player in the twilight of his career making too much money to hopefully get us to the point where we won't get embarrassed in the 1st or 2nd round. It's ludicrous to think Conley or Love will get us past Golden State even without KD.

LoPo said:

I guess you don't read real good now do you?

I said if we lose Favors. If we don't get a quality backup for Gobert, I have concerns.

When I mention a player, that doesn't mean that player is the priority. It also doesn't mean that I would give a bunch of assets for said player. All I'm saying is that I could see us having interest in Leonard depending on how everything shakes out.

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I understood. My point was that you’d be willing to pay him almost what you’d want to pay Favors.

Udidthizz said:

Dinwiddie is on a great contract too. 3 years $33m (3rd year a player option).

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If we traded for him, I’m guessing we could still sign Harris?

Thee jazz fan said:

I understood. My point was that you’d be willing to pay him almost what you’d want to pay Favors.

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Leonard already has a contract which is $11.2 million next year. If we waived Favors and Favors left, we would still need to find a good backup for Gobert. Portland will have a salary crunch so they might just give Leonard away to save money. If Korver retires, then we owe him $3.44 million.

If we got through free agency and had about $7 million of cap room and no great targets, I would trade Korver for Leonard. It saves Portland money and we would get one year of Leonard to see how he fits.

I wouldn't make Leonard a priority, but I could see a scenario where it's worth giving him a shot at being a replacement for Favors.

LoPo said:

Because I think both of them represent desperation. To get Conley, we are going to have to give up more than just the incredible amount of cap space it takes to pay him the next two years. We are going to have to shell out a 1st rounder or 2 and probably players too.

Love will cost us less to get, and cost us less the next two years. His other two years suck, but if we give up so much for Conley, we will pay him too. I guarantee the next 4 years of Conley will cost around the same as the next 4 years of Love.

Both still represent the same thing - an older player in the twilight of his career making too much money to hopefully get us to the point where we won't get embarrassed in the 1st or 2nd round. It's ludicrous to think Conley or Love will get us past Golden State even without KD.

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They are both old... that is where the comparison stops.

Conley was a top 30 player last year, unlike Love. He plays a position and in a way that is more valuable in the playoffs, unlike Love. So he won't get played off the floor. He was healthy last year, unlike Love. He had the second best year of his career last year, unlike Love. The rules and way the game are officiated are bending to compliment guys like Conley... Love is becoming a dinosaur. Conley can create offense, unlike Love. Conley is owed half what Love is, but unlike Love he is not overpaid... not at all. Top 25 in scoring, top 15 in assists, all on 57% TS and an insanely low 1.9 turnovers per game. The package of being a two way player, good shooter, and most important a big time playmaker are rare to find in one player... He is worth every penny.

Other than that they represent the same thing.

Tobias ain't getting us past GS unless there are injuries or other players develop, Conley is the same, Kemba is the same... Unless we get LeBron or KD we ain't getting past GS unless we are lucky or have other things workout... Conley makes us a conference finals contender and if you have some luck maybe more... its really all you can build for in the NBA.

Again... remember how GS was built. They swapped Ellis for Bogut (who was really injury prone), got Iggy (why bother if he doesn't move the needle right?), had to have Lee get hurt so they could discover Draymond...

So yeah in a vacuum Conley doesn't make us a western conference winner... but he is absolutely one of the steps that could make us that.

Handlogten's Heros said:

They are both old... that is where the comparison stops.

Conley was a top 30 player last year, unlike Love.

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Where do you get this stuff? There are 50 players in the NBA I'd rather have than Conley. Conley got to be the main chucker on a team that was one of the worst teams in the whole league.

Conley is a good player. I'll give him that. But he does ZERO things at an elite level. The NBA Playoffs are about matchups. Sure, Conley makes us better, but it's more like lose to the Rockets in Game 7 better not compete for anything substantial better.

Conley is overpaid, injury prone and getting old. I would take him, but I wouldn't sacrifice assets for him.

LoPo said:

Where do you get this stuff? There are 50 players in the NBA I'd rather have than Conley. Conley got to be the main chucker on a team that was one of the worst teams in the whole league.

Conley is a good player. I'll give him that. But he does ZERO things at an elite level. The NBA Playoffs are about matchups. Sure, Conley makes us better, but it's more like lose to the Rockets in Game 7 better not compete for anything substantial better.

Conley is overpaid, injury prone and getting old. I would take him, but I wouldn't sacrifice assets for him.

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Getting better is what we are trying to do... if we lost to the Rockets in 7 with Conley that'd be huge improvement over the dog **** we put up.

I'm stating facts... there were not 30 players that played better than Mike Conley last year. 21 pts. 6.4 assists... 57% TS and 1.9 TO … We aren't talking about a dude that chucked on a bad team we are talking about a guy that did that with incredible efficiency in spite of having nothing around him. Played 70 games even though he was held out of the last 6 at the end of the season because they had nothing to play for. Just because he is old doesn't mean he isn't good. Ya boy Rozier could only dream of having a season like that.

Chucker? Stahp!

LoPo said:

Where do you get this stuff? There are 50 players in the NBA I'd rather have than Conley.

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Then you are out of your mind.

With guys like Russell there are legitimate questions on whether they even make us better... There is no doubt with Mike we are better.

I need that list of 50 guys ASAP

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LoPo said:

Where do you get this stuff? There are 50 players in the NBA I'd rather have than Conley. Conley got to be the main chucker on a team that was one of the worst teams in the whole league.

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50 players you'd rather have than Conley? You've got to be s****** me . He's easily a top 30 player.

Bawse Dawg said:

I need that list of 50 guys ASAP

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LeBron
KD
Giannis
Kawhi
Kemba
Kyrie
Klay
Donovan
Gobert
Lillard
McCollum
Jokic
Murray
Aldridge
Paul
Harden
Westbrook
PG
T Harris
Embiid
Simmons
Butler
Towns
Lowry
Doncic
Porzingis
DeRozan
Curry
Draymond
Griffin
Beal
Russell
G Harris
Gordon
Vucevic
Booker
LaVine
Oladipo
Turner
Sabonis
Trae Young
Randle
AD
Jrue
Tatum
Fox
Middleton

47 names right there that I would take over Conley in an instant. Top 30 my ***. Conley had a "career year" last year because he was the only guy on the team worth a dang. His team still sucked even though he put up such good stats. I'm sure there are other players on bad teams who put up some great stats too.

There are other guys I would rather have than Conley (Siakim, Richardson, Capella, Nurkic, etc. and guys like that), but those names above are all better prospects than Mike Conley and/or had better or comparable seasons too.

The crazy thing - almost every single name up there makes less than Mike Conley's almost $70 million for the next two years. Pass on Conley.

LoPo said:

LeBron
KD
Giannis
Kawhi
Kemba
Kyrie
Klay
Donovan
Gobert
Lillard
McCollum
Jokic
Murray
Aldridge
Paul
Harden
Westbrook
PG
T Harris
Embiid
Simmons
Butler
Towns
Lowry
Doncic
Porzingis
DeRozan
Curry
Draymond
Griffin
Beal
Russell
G Harris
Gordon
Vucevic
Booker
LaVine
Oladipo
Turner
Sabonis
Trae Young
Randle
AD
Jrue
Tatum
Fox
Middleton

47 names right there that I would take over Conley in an instant. Top 30 my ***. Conley had a "career year" last year because he was the only guy on the team worth a dang. His team still sucked even though he put up such good stats. I'm sure there are other players on bad teams who put up some great stats too.

There are other guys I would rather have than Conley (Siakim, Richardson, Capella, Nurkic, etc. and guys like that), but those names above are all better prospects than Mike Conley and/or had better or comparable seasons too.

The crazy thing - almost every single name up there makes less than Mike Conley's almost $70 million for the next two years. Pass on Conley.

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Well done.
Very nice list

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Locke made a great point today wile talking to Tony Jones. There are a lot of centers on the market this offseason and only like 4 or 5 teams that need a center, therefore a good backup center can be had for cheap. In particular he said would you rather have Dewayne Dedmon, Ed Davis or Kenneth Faried for around $3 million and then use the rest of the $18 million you're giving Favors on someone else or use his contract as a trade piece, or would you rather have Favors at $18?

Jingled said:

Locke made a great point today wile talking to Tony Jones. There are a lot of centers on the market this offseason and only like 4 or 5 teams that need a center, therefore a good backup center can be had for cheap. In particular he said would you rather have Dewayne Dedmon, Ed Davis or Kenneth Faried for around $3 million and then use the rest of the $18 million you're giving Favors on someone else or use his contract as a trade piece, or would you rather have Favors at $18?

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Bruh I been on dat... check the Favs replacement thread. So many bigs.

Another thing Locke and Tony discussed is the possibility that Durant and Kawhi go the Clippers and Kyrie goes to the Lakers and then the Lakers could also still possibly trade for Anthony Davis. If all that happens we're completely ****ed no mater what we do or who we add this offseason.

LoPo said:

LeBron
KD
Giannis
Kawhi
Kemba
Kyrie
Klay
Donovan
Gobert
Lillard
McCollum
Jokic
Murray
Aldridge
Paul
Harden
Westbrook
PG
T Harris
Embiid
Simmons
Butler
Towns
Lowry
Doncic
Porzingis
DeRozan
Curry
Draymond
Griffin
Beal
Russell
G Harris
Gordon
Vucevic
Booker
LaVine
Oladipo
Turner
Sabonis
Trae Young
Randle
AD
Jrue
Tatum
Fox
Middleton

47 names right there that I would take over Conley in an instant. Top 30 my ***. Conley had a "career year" last year because he was the only guy on the team worth a dang. His team still sucked even though he put up such good stats. I'm sure there are other players on bad teams who put up some great stats too.

There are other guys I would rather have than Conley (Siakim, Richardson, Capella, Nurkic, etc. and guys like that), but those names above are all better prospects than Mike Conley and/or had better or comparable seasons too.

The crazy thing - almost every single name up there makes less than Mike Conley's almost $70 million for the next two years. Pass on Conley.

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So many of those guys are not better than Conley and there are easily 17 guys that did not have better years. He was a top 30 player last year. He had garbage... literal garbage he played with. Being that efficient while creating all the offense is impressive.

I love the thought of him being a chucker and then saying you'd take Lavine over him in a second. If you need to win a basketball game tomorrow there are not 30 names on that list that anyone should take over Conley.

Sabonis, Randle, Vucevic are laughable... if you don't want old dudes why is Lowry and CP3 on there.

Conley is completely under-rated by some just because he is on the other side of 30... guys that win playoff series are generally older.

Why is it so hard to just admit the guy is really effing good and would immediately cure so much of our issue? I get it... you'd rather have 20 somethings... most of those "promising" players will never be as good as Conley. Conley at 2 years 68M is a fair contract and a better use of space than some middling guy like Lamb, Rozier, plus Favs.

Handlogten's Heros said:

So many of those guys are not better than Conley and there are easily 17 guys that did not have better years. He was a top 30 player last year. He had garbage... literal garbage he played with. Being that efficient while creating all the offense is impressive.

I love the thought of him being a chucker and then saying you'd take Lavine over him in a second. If you need to win a basketball game tomorrow there are not 30 names on that list that anyone should take over Conley.

Sabonis, Randle, Vucevic are laughable... if you don't want old dudes why is Lowry and CP3 on there.

Conley is completely under-rated by some just because he is on the other side of 30... guys that win playoff series are generally older.

Why is it so hard to just admit the guy is really effing good and would immediately cure so much of our issue? I get it... you'd rather have 20 somethings... most of those "promising" players will never be as good as Conley. Conley at 2 years 68M is a fair contract and a better use of space than some middling guy like Lamb, Rozier, plus Favs.

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I knew you couldn't just take the list and move on.

Originally, I said there are 50 guys I would rather have than Conley. I listed 47 who were clear to me "guys I would rather have" based on their ability, age and contract. In my post of 47, I literally said "There are other guys I would rather have than Conley (Siakim, Richardson, Capella, Nurkic, etc. and guys like that), but those names above are all better prospects than Mike Conley and/or had better or comparable seasons too." "Those names above" are the 47.

If I'm starting a franchise right now and I can pick anybody in the league for their current salary, there are easily 50 guys I would rather have.

Conley is a great dude, and I would take him if it meant just taking him. He is not worth sacrificing multiple draft picks, all our cap space and players for. He's just not. We aren't close enough to a title that Conley makes the difference.

LoPo said:

I knew you couldn't just take the list and move on.

Originally, I said there are 50 guys I would rather have than Conley. I listed 47 who were clear to me "guys I would rather have" based on their ability, age and contract. In my post of 47, I literally said "There are other guys I would rather have than Conley (Siakim, Richardson, Capella, Nurkic, etc. and guys like that), but those names above are all better prospects than Mike Conley and/or had better or comparable seasons too." "Those names above" are the 47.

If I'm starting a franchise right now and I can pick anybody in the league for their current salary, there are easily 50 guys I would rather have.

Conley is a great dude, and I would take him if it meant just taking him. He is not worth sacrificing multiple draft picks, all our cap space and players for. He's just not. We aren't close enough to a title that Conley makes the difference.

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Sweet... and I said Conley was a top 30 player... didn't say he was a top 30 trade asset. Hardly any of those dudes were better than him last year.

I think our window is closer than people think... I prefer to have a guy in his prime for the next 4 years, but if we don't get Kemba or Tobias then Conley is fuggin good for 2 years... at that point our cap space is not worth what we wanted it to be... our pick or picks... those are much more likely to be Tony Bradley types rather than Rudy Gobert's. You don't get 10 years to build in the NBA anymore.

Whatever man keep pumping up using assets to get Winslow or Russell... even if Conley falls off the next couple years he's likely better than they are over the next 3-4 years.