He promised to ban all Muslims after the California shooting, and he tried to do so. Video
Then his first executive order was shot down in court
Then his second one held up, but it was much watered down and covered a tiny fraction of all Muslims.
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He promised to ban all Muslims after the California shooting, and he tried to do so. Video
Then his first executive order was shot down in court
Then his second one held up, but it was much watered down and covered a tiny fraction of all Muslims.
Archie Moses
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This is true too.
Obama was criticized for things he didn't say. In these situations (I guess he was criticized for enticing race wars or so they say.)
Trump is criticized for things he doesn't say and mostly for the **** he does say.
Archie Moses
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I'd be in favor for a white supremacist Christian ban.
While racism is to blame for terrorist attacks, religion is tenfold as guilty.
There always has to be those radical mother ****ers that ruin it for everyone.
Zombie
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His rhetoric during the campaign was definitely about banning all Muslims. The countries on the ban didn't really make much sense when you consider the historical data of terrorist attacks in the US carried out by foreign nationals.
It's debatable as to whether or not the ban actual constituted a targeted ban on Muslims or not, but Trump's own words makes it pretty clear he intended it to be, even if he wasn't ultimately successful in achieving it.
jimmy eat jazz
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This is an example of why context is everything.
"Many said," ROTFL, as if that's proof of anything.
I would hope we could criticize the police (and boy oh boy do they merit it) without being blamed for someone killing a cop. Heaven forbid we criticize authority figures who abuse their power/position or otherwise act badly.
Context matters, which I guess is too subtle of a concept for some to grasp.
I don’t think it’s really debatable that the ban was targeted at “muslims”. If it was Muslims he was after this is a completely idiotic way of going about that. Countries with massive Muslim populations are left off.
But then again it’s Trump and idiotic fits.
Jazzta
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How about an any kind of race supremacy ban, regardless of religion.
Question is how do you enforce this without violations of civil rights.
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His point seems to be that we shouldn't blame the president for what he says and tweets when it appears to connect to the reasoning why some psycho kills a bunch of people.
I on the other hand think that what the president says and tweets can and does have an effect on people.
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The Thriller
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Texas Senator John Coryn just a few weeks ago:
And we act surprised that a fellow Texan reacted violently to Coryn's white supremacist message? What was John trying to accomplish with that tweet anyway? Has anyone here answered that? @JazzyFresh, what do you think?
Trump a few months ago:
Collection of Trump's greatest hits:
Tucker Carlson flirting with Trump:
Can we find President Obama making similar inflammatory statements? Warren? So why are we conflating Obama/Warren with Trump and the GOP's obsession with white supremacy? Seems pretty desperate @JazzyFresh
Let's be clear on this, all shooters have some political affiliation or views, just as everyone does. But the key question is whether those views influenced the shooter to carry out a terrorist agenda? The El Paso shooting happened because a young man had political motives to commit white supremacist terrorism. He even left a manifesto claiming such. The manifesto was so influenced by Trump and Carlson that there have been people who have put together lines from the manifesto that the young man most likely saw used by both Trump and Carlson.
The Dayton shooter was not motivated by politics. Last I read, they believe killing his own sister might've been the primary motive.
So conflating these two shooters as one being from "the right" and the other being from "the left" seems to be yet another (desperate) attempt by those on the right to circle the wagons and drag everyone else into the extremist racist **** hole they've been rolling in for the last few years. If Republicans don't want to be in this hole maybe they shouldn't tweet racist things, give racist campaign speeches, or say racist things on Fox News. Right @JazzyFresh?
And we act surprised that a fellow Texan reacted violently to Coryn's white supremacist message? What was John trying to accomplish with that tweet anyway? Has anyone here answered that? @JazzyFresh, what do you think?
Trump a few months ago:
Collection of Trump's greatest hits:
Tucker Carlson flirting with Trump:
Can we find President Obama making similar inflammatory statements? Warren? So why are we conflating Obama/Warren with Trump and the GOP's obsession with white supremacy? Seems pretty desperate @JazzyFresh
Let's be clear on this, all shooters have some political affiliation or views, just as everyone does. But the key question is whether those views influenced the shooter to carry out a terrorist agenda? The El Paso shooting happened because a young man had political motives to commit white supremacist terrorism. He even left a manifesto claiming such. The manifesto was so influenced by Trump and Carlson that there have been people who have put together lines from the manifesto that the young man most likely saw used by both Trump and Carlson.
The Dayton shooter was not motivated by politics. Last I read, they believe killing his own sister might've been the primary motive.
So conflating these two shooters as one being from "the right" and the other being from "the left" seems to be yet another (desperate) attempt by those on the right to circle the wagons and drag everyone else into the extremist racist **** hole they've been rolling in for the last few years. If Republicans don't want to be in this hole maybe they shouldn't tweet racist things, give racist campaign speeches, or say racist things on Fox News. Right @JazzyFresh?
The Thriller
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Absolutely it does. He has the biggest megaphone.
But the leaders of his party need to change too. Has anyone been able to explain the purpose of this tweet? What's it supposed to accomplish other than incite hate and violence? @Heathme @JazzyFresh @jazzrule? Care to take this one?
One Brow
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I agree. It was clear and easily understood, and I understood it much the same way you did. It was just wrong.
You'd have a helluva time making the case of intent either way. But probably harder given Trump's demonization of Obama and allegations trying to link Obama to muslims. And attacks on Omar. And quotes like this:
Trump calling for a complete and total shutdown of muslims entering the country
The statement being on his website, and then taken down after asked about it
He has declined to apologize for incendiary comments
His brief history of Islamaphobia
The twelve times he equated his travel ban with a muslim ban
Kinda fighting an uphill battle bro.
Not really. He left of many Muslim countries. Fact. If it was a Muslim ban he’d have included them.
Not saying he likes Muslims or hasn’t disparaged them. The ban wasn’t Muslim. Targeting specific countries.
Zombie
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A ban can target Muslims without targeting all Muslims.
Zombie
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I mean, if you want to curb Muslim immigration you don't have to put a blanket ban on Muslims from any country.
It was patently obvious that a ban specifically banning all Muslim immigration wasn't going to pass constitutional muster, nor a ban on all Muslim majority nations. So it's not too difficult to imagine a ban which accomplished part of that goal without going all the way.