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Jazzta said:
Would sensible (more like sensitive) gun control make us safer from say, a Trump administration gone full dictatorship? Both you and I know he would drool at the idea of becoming a dictator the likes of Kim Jung.
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I don't buy that. You can have a gun in every house and it won't stop the tyranny raising to the power if the society is not conscious or educated well enough to see it coming. One courageous and independently thinking person can be more dangerous for a tyran than a troop of arms.
 
Jazzta said:
Would sensible (more like sensitive) gun control make us safer from say, a Trump administration gone full dictatorship? Both you and I know he would drool at the idea of becoming a dictator the likes of Kim Jung.
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Sensible gun control works in literally every industrialized country in the world. And while many of them are struggling with right wing insurgents, none of them have become dictatorships over lack of armed citizenry.

Voter apathy, corrupt pastors, and Fox News disinformation scares me far more than anything related to guns.
 
I doubt anyone will bring this up. But recent developments in Hong Kong, Turkey, Poland, Hungary, and Russia (since 1999) cannot be attributed to gun control. Repressive leaders are exploiting religious leaders and disinformation to hammer civil rights and spread paranoia.

Putin fears a free press far more than an armed citizenry. That’s why he’s concentrated so much on owning the airwaves and killing journalists.
 
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Jazzmix said:
I don't buy that. You can have a gun in every house and it won't stop the tyranny raising to the power if the society is not conscious or educated well enough to see it coming. One courageous and independently thinking person can be more dangerous for a tyran than a troop of arms.
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This is absolutely correct. And this map showing gun laws by nation supports your post. There isn’t any evidence to support this NRA sponsored idea that guns = more responsive government and fewer guns = dictatorships

It’s yet another lie spewed by the NRA, their bought off politicians, and Fox News.

Fox News is a greater threat to our democracy than gun control.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overview_of_gun_laws_by_nation
 
Jazzta said:
Would sensible (more like sensitive) gun control make us safer from say, a Trump administration gone full dictatorship? Both you and I know he would drool at the idea of becoming a dictator the likes of Kim Jung.
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A. I don't see it (kim Jung style dictators taking over) happening in other developed countries.


B. I don't think we (civilians) could beat the military in a war anyway.

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fishonjazz said:
Does it say in the Constitution what kind of arms you have the right to bear? If it don't specify then, well, you still have the right to bear arms just not the arms you want to bear.

Hell, maybe they were talking about sleeveless shirts? Who knows, that document was written long long ago.

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If you want to get specific when it was written hand-guns really didn't exist in anything near the same form as today. They had muskets, flint-lock and variants largely. So if that is what determines it then we can all have some flint-lock muskets.

Here is a muzzle-loading pistol from that era.

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https://www.icollector.com/Constric...Pistol-with-Continental-Army-Depart_i11027901

And here's a nice musket to replace that AR-15.

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https://www.ima-usa.com/collections...-captured-at-the-siege-of-seringpatam-in-1799
 
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LogGrad98 said:
If you want to get specific when it was written hand-guns really didn't exist in anything near the same form as today. They had muskets, flint-lock and variants largely. So if that is what determines it then we can all have some flint-lock muskets.

Here is a muzzle-loading pistol from that era.

11027901_1m.jpg


https://www.icollector.com/Constric...Pistol-with-Continental-Army-Depart_i11027901

And here's a nice musket to replace that AR-15.

(Can't connect to the actual picture so it looks something like this)

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https://www.ima-usa.com/collections...-captured-at-the-siege-of-seringpatam-in-1799
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Can I modify one of these into a flamethrower?
 
Heathme said:
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This type of propaganda works for morons who think a knife is in any way equivalent to a magazine-fed, semi-automatic assault rifle. Anyone who thinks this represents any kind serious commentary on gun control is, well, Heathme-like.

BTW, criminals ARE the problem, no one disputes this despite RW propaganda to the contrary, but this problem is greatly exacerbated at the margin by the easy accessibility to firearms. This argument reminds me of the sophistic arguments made by Tea Baggers back in the day that deficits were solely a matter of spending, completely discounting the revenue side as if it were totally irrelevant (hint: it isn't). Now, we have the gun rights fanatics making a similar type of sophistic argument that gun violence is solely a matter of crime and criminals, completely discounting the easy accessibility of guns as a both a contributor to crime and a factor making crimes that are committed more violent and more deadly. This type of argument may get one likes and retweets among one's gun fanatic peers, but it is a much less satisfying rhetorical gambit for serious thinking people.

Other countries have criminals (also mentally ill, irreligious, believers in evolution, gamers, etc.) at a more or less similar rate as the US; what they don't have is easy accessibility to firearms. Hence, their crimes (committed by criminals) are far less violent and deadly than the crimes committed by criminals here. Plus, they tend not to have youth who go around killing people using magazine-fed assault rifles-that's pretty much a uniquely US trait, again abetted by easy accessibility to firearms.
 
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