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Babe's Mentoring Space, Help for The Helpless Liberals in here.

NUMBERICA said:
I don’t believe I have ever encountered someone so in love with observing their own words (or “hearing themselves talk”) as babe.
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And indeed, you are right. Nothing else to live for. Really.

You are not far from actually understanding why. A highway patrolman had almost the same insight, after pulling me almost unhurt from a wreck, a rollover in the desert doing 120 or something like that in a little pickup. My dog, who was sitting beside me.... a Chow Chow.... was first thrown to the windshield, where his collar hooked on the rear view, then banged the broken mirror into my hand gripping the steering wheel while I screamed, and then was ejected through the rear window in front of the head-over-heels rolling truck, where he landed exactly ten inches from where the taillights smashed into the clay...... I never saw my dog again. He was done with riding with me.

(And, parenthetically.... this is the reason you should choose to wear a seat belt. In a crash, you are in a rapidly decelerating can weighing thousands of pounds. You will not decelerate quite so rapidly. You will go out one window or another, somehow.... or out a door that isn't there..... and your can will crush you. Even in the mud. I saw an accident like that on the Salt Flats, and the driver's head was about as flat a his hubcap.)

But the trooper, coping with riding some 150 miles with me into town to have my hand bandaged, explained that it was amazing I did not go into shock, like most people would after an accident like that. He said people who talk a lot, and like to listen to themselves, rarely go into shock. It's a sort of mental stabilizer bar, if you will.

And that's the only bar I patronize, and few suffer much from me, besides the cows and JazzFanz.
 
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fishonjazz said:
Its so funny how Trump lovers try to deny being a trump lover. Walk like a duck, quack like a duck, etc.

Im noticing a trend of trump lovers pretending to be something else.

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I could discuss, at some length, the types of Trump-lovers out there. Some have been paid for it, and are long gone. Quite a few have loved Trump because he is not Hillary, or because he isn't on board with leveling the United States of America with the Third World, economically, socially, constitutionally, or militarily. A few of these are losing hope.

But most of the changlings were phonies to begin with. Republican progressives with committments to the ideals of globalism and the rule of opportunistic fascists with moolah to pass out. For them it's time to fish or cut bait.
 
Harambe said:
Not buying Daddy.
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My Jewish girlfriend, back in the day, sorta smiled with a twinkle in her eye, when she told me "It's a wise child who knows his father".

I think she was referring to the matrilineal rule for defining Jewishness. Not entirely sure I don't have a Jewish child.

But I was wishing I could be a Jew because of my father's lineage.
 
One Brow said:
I'm liberal, and while I have no need to defend myself, I can go over the nobler goals of liberalism, if you like, starting with "people need fair opportunities".
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Pretty sure we part ways on the meaning of "fair".

People have in themselves opportunities, and need no supplements. Sure we have some moments of choice where we cross the chasm from being hunter/gatherers with bare hands to believing we have to crush human skulls with our stones, but however awkward our transitions, we always do have the choices, unless guvmint officials pass some damn law and drag us in chains over to cliff and throw us and our choices over the cliff.,

And let's not quibble about how enlightened guvmint officials are, OK.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
I enjoy babe when he can keep his **** to under 1,000 words like this.
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Thank you. I have thought of doing posts in chapters. But when I do the long ****, it means I've got unfinished thinking.

That's when the cows are my better audience.
 
Jonah said:
Amongst family and friends I’m still considered the black sheep conservative. Yet here on Jazzfanz I don’t think there’s a single self-applied conservative I agree with on much of anything. Then there’s the Trump supporters, all of whom read as radically reactionary, rather than calm, considered and conservative. So for this forum, and based on your means of categorization, I may as well be a liberal. Moreover, since I will likely end up supporting Elizabeth Warren for president, it’s a good time for a revaluation of all my political values, probably something I should be doing every now and then anyway, if only to keep my view of the world from becoming too rigid and stale.
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I especially appreciate talk like this.

I am sure this is not an uncommon reason, or line of reasoning, for thinking folks who choke at braying halfwits.
 
olden_undercover said:
Oh, very. But, Philistine or philistine?
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To be a true Philistine, you need to be very very old by now. Some might call them Palestinians today.

But I suspect that over the centuries, the lines of distinction have been outbred, genetically speaking. Kinda frustrating for me, a wannabe Jew, when I look in vain for compelling genetic criteria that would convince the Israeli government to take me in.

The Palestinians, formerly Bedouins, who rarely could have been acceptable to the Jewish farmers who remained in the land after the Romans did their genocide, and who chose to survive the insults of Allah by figuring it was the God of Abraham anyway, it is still quite likely that most Bedouins today have more Jewish ancestry than I do, so perhaps if the Palestinians could just pretend to love the Star of David, the blue on white flag, there would be peace again.

Well, my former Palestinian boss had a few quirks..... and I think it's cultural, really. The thing about Sodomy. The idea of male mutilation and all, I suppose, figures in that. If you still have a foreskin, you don't really need so much else. But originally, I think the idea of circumcision was something like Harambe's reference above about "The Natural Man" Circumcision was one way to try to not be so "natural", I suppose.

But honestly, my considered contemplations of the bovines has enlightened me about all that. Young bulls.... cowboys have a term for it..... "Balling around". Doesn't make them gay. The heifers prove to be more interesting. Well, more fun. Just an opinion here.....
 
fishonjazz said:
Just throwing your system of labeling people based on your perceptions rather than reality right back at you. I'm not surprised you were too dumb to realize it though. Cause you are dumb and all.

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This is an eternal debate. Who is dumber.

The primitive terminologists, or the folks who want to correct their terminologies.....
 
jazzrule said:
Adam Schiff's sister is married to George Soros' son!.... hellooo! surprise?
Just dropped in to help or take up for our hate Trumpers, liberals, progressives or whatever you chose to call yourselves today. NOT
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whaaaaat??????

you can still find **** like this on Google?

(edit) so I googled it.... sure enough. All the truth ministries said "no", with no evidence to support it. Just said false....

And the "influencers poll had been closed.

pretty near proof positive imo.

can't anybody just have fun anymore?

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So, aside from bald denials like so and so saying "no", I decided to actually see.... I went to some genealogical sites and indeed, the Melissa Robin Schiff who married George Soro's son has a different mother and father than the Representative Schiff of Burbank.

So, anyway, without pasting the information in here, my bald denial is at least as good at Snopes'.
 
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babe said:
Pretty sure we part ways on the meaning of "fair".
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I'm sure we do. For you, it's fair if a kid A has no textbooks, can't concentrate due to insufficient food, and is under stress due to environmental issue they had nothing to do with creating, while kid B has textbooks, workbooks, and more, has plenty of food, and live in a clean neighborhood.

babe said:
People have in themselves opportunities, and need no supplements.
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I don't recall referring to what was needed, but to what was fair.
 
babe said:
To be a true Philistine, you need to be very very old by now. Some might call them Palestinians today.

But I suspect that over the centuries, the lines of distinction have been outbred, genetically speaking. Kinda frustrating for me, a wannabe Jew, when I look in vain for compelling genetic criteria that would convince the Israeli government to take me in.

The Palestinians, formerly Bedouins, who rarely could have been acceptable to the Jewish farmers who remained in the land after the Romans did their genocide, and who chose to survive the insults of Allah by figuring it was the God of Abraham anyway, it is still quite likely that most Bedouins today have more Jewish ancestry than I do, so perhaps if the Palestinians could just pretend to love the Star of David, the blue on white flag, there would be peace again.

Well, my former Palestinian boss had a few quirks..... and I think it's cultural, really. The thing about Sodomy. The idea of male mutilation and all, I suppose, figures in that. If you still have a foreskin, you don't really need so much else. But originally, I think the idea of circumcision was something like Harambe's reference above about "The Natural Man" Circumcision was one way to try to not be so "natural", I suppose.

But honestly, my considered contemplations of the bovines has enlightened me about all that. Young bulls.... cowboys have a term for it..... "Balling around". Doesn't make them gay. The heifers prove to be more interesting. Well, more fun. Just an opinion here.....
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"A man of true science uses but few hard words, and those only when none other will answer his purpose; whereas the smatterer in science thinks, that by mouthing hard words, he proves that he understands hard things."

You're a little presumptuous, but interesting. I think we'd have some engaging-- if not somewhat one-sided-- conversations in 'real life'.
 
olden_undercover said:
"A man of true science uses but few hard words, and those only when none other will answer his purpose; whereas the smatterer in science thinks, that by mouthing hard words, he proves that he understands hard things."

You're a little presumptuous, but interesting. I think we'd have some engaging-- if not somewhat one-sided-- conversations in 'real life'.
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While I did study and work.... as in showing up at actual jobs.... in science, I probably should have been a fiction novelist.

In actual human contact, I am very slow speech. Some might not notice it, because I can actually babble, but I have a speech impediment common to folks with MS. A scanning speech pattern, where I have to stop and get my bearings of thought, due to very significant cerebellum deficits. It happens in writing too, so if I'm serious about it I need to edit quite a bit.
 
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babe said:
Grossly inaccurate analysis here.

They are not Holsteins at all. Mostly Angus, a fewCharlais and even less Hereford. Beef.

And in regard to the dictionary, are you defining "liberals"?

I am babe, a no-account philosopher sitting on pile of rocks waiting for the buzzards. I made made peace with the flies and the lizards. But I am not going to stop them from their habits. Life is good..
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In regards to the dictionary, you can take it at face value: I copied and pasted the definition for the word 'pretentious'. I just happen to think that particular definition describes the title and initial post in this thread pretty well, no ulterior motives implied. I have no idea why you are bringing in the definition of the word 'liberal' into it, but I doubt you mind me saying directly that you do have a tendency to meander.

I grew up on a farm in a dairy town. I'd rather have beef cattle for neighbors any day. The flies can't be helped (they're almost a consequence, aren't they?), and lizards at least give you some variety. :)
 
One Brow said:
I'm sure we do. For you, it's fair if a kid A has no textbooks, can't concentrate due to insufficient food, and is under stress due to environmental issue they had nothing to do with creating, while kid B has textbooks, workbooks, and more, has plenty of food, and live in a clean neighborhood.



I don't recall referring to what was needed, but to what was fair.
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I don't remember anyone giving me special attention. I was the babe in the family, the last in line for everything, and pretty near the youngest in our neighborhood too. Nobody cared. I thought that was a plus. I could slip out the door and play for hours before I was missed or before mom started yelling out the back door. And significantly often, I was outta earshot too. So I came in and snuk into bed when everyone else had given up.

I had the recurring discussion with my mom..... "If I told you where I was going, you'd just worry more."

All that was long before DFS or DCFS or whatever the hell government alphabet gestapo began giving people grief.

It took a rather clever pair of teachers from the corner of my block, and the next block, to conspire and carry out a plan to draw me outta the woods.

They were in different elementary schools, grade five and six as it was termed. Mr. Ken Cannon was the sixth grade teacher in the West elementary, and Mr. Lloyd Graff was my teacher in fifth grade in the East Elementary. This was 1960, and in St. George my block was in the center of town, next to the baseball field, the city park and the Sun Bowl(rodeo, football and special event stadium), and only about four blocks from the Red Hill to the north. But my grandpa owned the whole block except for a few lots on the south side, nearer the Temple and the Market Basket. I loved the Red Hill with all those cliffs, crevices and weird little sandstone formations. Nobody could have found me there. And yes there were a couple of kids like me who died falling off the cliffs.

But I figured there was nobody to tell me what to do, so I should think twice about stuff.

Anyway, the teachers got me transferred, and Mr. Cannon sorta beguiled me into being a student by telling the whole class I was a genius, then establishing a teaching method of having us teach one another through daily contests on each subject. The kid who could answer the question was praised, the kid who could find a question to ask from the lesson which no one could answer was praised. Then Mr. Cannon asked me if I would like to stay after school and do my lessons, trusting me with locking the door when I left.

So instead of disappearing into the yard, the desert, the rocks..... I actually read the assignment and made my questions, and somehow became the genius the teacher had said I was....

And so, I see I started this all with the statement "I don't recall anyone giving me special attention". lol

I think my earlier post might have had more to do with kids actually finding (or being tricked into) having their own motivation, after which all things are indeed possible.
 
do you sell any kind of autographed memorabilia?
 
olden_undercover said:
In regards to the dictionary, you can take it at face value: I copied and pasted the definition for the word 'pretentious'. I just happen to think that particular definition describes the title and initial post in this thread pretty well, no ulterior motives implied. I have no idea why you are bringing in the definition of the word 'liberal' into it, but I doubt you mind me saying directly that you do have a tendency to meander.

I grew up on a farm in a dairy town. I'd rather have beef cattle for neighbors any day. The flies can't be helped (they're almost a consequence, aren't they?), and lizards at least give you some variety. :)
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I grew up milking a Jersey named "Zook". I'd do the hay, too, and check the water. Our cats got their squirts too. My mom would strain it through a cloth, and I'd drink some warm milk. Nothing better in this world.

cows, flies, and lizards. An eternal triangle.
 
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