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JazzyFresh said:
I'm an adult and can manage my own finances, thank you.

I didn't/don't have to drive, I did have to pay for Obamacare(since I lost my plan) or get fined. Stupid analogy.
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Most people have to drive for work so I used that as one of several things you are forced to do. So then you go without healthcare if you are an adult and don't want to be forced to have health insurance. Good for you. For some of us we like the fact that you cannot be dropped from your insurance or denied coverage or charged more because you are sick. So since you can manage your money what is the solution since you hate Obama care so much. I haven't seen any real proposals from you or the republicans?
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I don't know who Trump won over... I just don't think Biden "killed it". Not that he had much of a chance to. I think the smiling and head nodding showing "patience" was partly not having a great comeback and allowing Trump to steamroll him.

I wanted to come away with a greater sense of confidence in Joe... I don't have that... I'm still voting for "not trump". Look, Trump may not have given him an opportunity to instill confidence with how he mucked things up.
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interrupting someone when they are trying to speak isn't steamrolling it is just plain rude and juvenile.
 
cowhide said:
Most people have to drive for work so I used that as one of several things you are forced to do. So then you go without healthcare if you are an adult and don't want to be forced to have health insurance. Good for you. For some of us we like the fact that you cannot be dropped from your insurance or denied coverage or charged more because you are sick. So since you can manage your money what is the solution since you hate Obama care so much. I haven't seen any real proposals from you or the republicans?
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Reduce major drug prices like insulin
Bring drug manufacturing to the us for generic drugs(huge I think)
Openly force drug companies to disclose pricing

-Things Trump is doing right now but it's nowhere near enough. I actually love my plan o have right now so it's tough for me to really complain. I do think it needs an overhaul but ACA is not it and completely against replacing garbage with garbage just to do it.
 
Beer said:
The disconnect between devout Christians and being ardent Trump supporters is baffling. First comment on KSL.com about the debate.

"I was shocked when Biden said those words that I tell my children never to say, starting with an "s" and ending in "up." That was the lowest point of the debate. Biden couldn't remember the question much of the time. He is super unfit to hold office of any kind. Trump 2020."

So Biden says shut up and he is despicable but Trump the most openly vulgar president of all time gets her total support? What is happening in this country? At least Biden feigns being a good person.
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It is the most bizarre thing I have witness in politics, just how deeply bias and hypocritical Trump supporters are. Everyone has their favorites and are bias but these guys take it to the next level. Trump is right he could kill some in broad daylight with witness and his followers would still vote for him. The shut up comment wasn't even close to being offense considering all the things Trump has said. I found it ironic and funny when Trump said Biden wasn't very smart. Too funny!!!
 
cowhide said:
It is the most bizarre thing I have witness in politics, just how deeply bias and hypocritical Trump supporters are. Everyone has their favorites and are bias but these guys take it to the next level. Trump is right he could kill some in broad daylight with witness and his followers would still vote for him. The shut up comment wasn't even close to being offense considering all the things Trump has said. I found it ironic and funny when Trump said Biden wasn't very smart. Too funny!!!
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Did you say anything when Biden said

"Unlike the African American community, with notable exceptions, the Latino community is an incredibly diverse community with incredibly diverse attitudes about different things,"

"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy, I mean, that's a storybook, man."



This is extremely racist yet you all stay silent.
 
JazzyFresh said:
Reduce major drug prices like insulin
Bring drug manufacturing to the us for generic drugs(huge I think)
Openly force drug companies to disclose pricing

-Things Trump is doing right now but it's nowhere near enough. I actually love my plan o have right now so it's tough for me to really complain. I do think it needs an overhaul but ACA is not it and completely against replacing garbage with garbage just to do it.
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Yea he is making executive orders that is not changing the law. So instead your side does nothing while millions lose their health insurance or have to buy crap plans that don't cover preventive medicines. I am glad you like your insurance unfortunately millions do not. The ACA is not insurance it is a set of laws that have help millions keep and get insurance. Without the pre-existing condition regulation insurance companies were tossing sick people off their insurance. I was one of those who could not get insurance because I was going through a divorce and looking for work. I got sick and was screwed financially because I could not get insurance after getting sick. THousands of dollars lost but then the ACA started and I was able to have insurance and get the medical treatment that I needed. Trump's insurance plans are crap they do not cover half the things ACA does and they have high deductibles so people do not go to the hospital for regular checkups because they have $5000 out of pocket before the insurance starts paying. So it is crap vs crap if you read the details.
 
JazzyFresh said:
Show me where proud boys are looting, burning down buildings, destroying innocent peoples livelihoods...

You're just trying to distract yourself from the democratic party who are actually doing these things.

Ps **** the proud boys but they are not the ones terrorizing cities. Have they done terrible ****? Yes. I'm all for the death penalty for anybody committimg commiting crimes I'm the name of hate groups such as Antifa, BLM, Proud Boys, Kkk, and the democratic party.

You don't see Trump or Republicans openly supporting these groups like you all.
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Trump called the good guys and refused to denounce them in his debate. 93 percent of the protest have had no violence. No democrat is saying that looting is ok but some have said it is understandable. Too funny the war mongering Republican party that loves lying about reasons to go to war say democrats are a hate group. You are right democrats hate when republicans ignore the crimes of the president and his cult followers and cheer a militia kid who killed two people and injured a third. A guy who was a medic helping people just for you information. The cops started shooting people and grabbing people off the streets with out any legal cause. Guy was just walking down the street and the van pulls up and guys in fatigues with just throw him in the van. Sounds like a move a dictator. President shoots and gases peace protestors outside the white house so he can wave his bible for a photo opt. BLM is not a terrorist group. It is concerned citizens that are tired of the racial oppression and killing of unarmed black men. The democrats want the republicans to treat people like human beings and not like criminals. You do know that people are innocent until proven guilty.

Talk about deflection, a lot of the violence started when the militia showed up and the police get aggressive with the protestors. The problem is you get your "facts" from guys like Hannity, Carson both who are racists and are attached to Trump 's butt with their lips. Trump tells the police to rough up people when they arrest them and now the police are doing it. So who are the real terrorist? He is in the white house and he will lie, cheat, deflect and abuse his power to say president. He loves dictators and wants to be one. So your support for him is misdirected just like many Germanys with Hitler.
 
JazzyFresh said:
Did you say anything when Biden said

"Unlike the African American community, with notable exceptions, the Latino community is an incredibly diverse community with incredibly diverse attitudes about different things,"

"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy, I mean, that's a storybook, man."



This is extremely racist yet you all stay silent.
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Not sure how that is related to the above posts but yes, that was a stupid and racist thing to say.
 
cowhide said:
Yea he is making executive orders that is not changing the law. So instead your side does nothing while millions lose their health insurance or have to buy crap plans that don't cover preventive medicines. I am glad you like your insurance unfortunately millions do not. The ACA is not insurance it is a set of laws that have help millions keep and get insurance. Without the pre-existing condition regulation insurance companies were tossing sick people off their insurance. I was one of those who could not get insurance because I was going through a divorce and looking for work. I got sick and was screwed financially because I could not get insurance after getting sick. THousands of dollars lost but then the ACA started and I was able to have insurance and get the medical treatment that I needed. Trump's insurance plans are crap they do not cover half the things ACA does and they have high deductibles so people do not go to the hospital for regular checkups because they have $5000 out of pocket before the insurance starts paying. So it is crap vs crap if you read the details.
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Ok, under Obama I was paying over $200 for just me. I used it once I think. My current plan is $89. So 2 years at $200 is $2400 per year so $4800 under ACA. 2 years under my
cowhide said:
Trump called the good guys and refused to denounce them in his debate. 93 percent of the protest have had no violence. No democrat is saying that looting is ok but some have said it is understandable. Too funny the war mongering Republican party that loves lying about reasons to go to war say democrats are a hate group. You are right democrats hate when republicans ignore the crimes of the president and his cult followers and cheer a militia kid who killed two people and injured a third. A guy who was a medic helping people just for you information. The cops started shooting people and grabbing people off the streets with out any legal cause. Guy was just walking down the street and the van pulls up and guys in fatigues with just throw him in the van. Sounds like a move a dictator. President shoots and gases peace protestors outside the white house so he can wave his bible for a photo opt. BLM is not a terrorist group. It is concerned citizens that are tired of the racial oppression and killing of unarmed black men. The democrats want the republicans to treat people like human beings and not like criminals. You do know that people are innocent until proven guilty.

Talk about deflection, a lot of the violence started when the militia showed up and the police get aggressive with the protestors. The problem is you get your "facts" from guys like Hannity, Carson both who are racists and are attached to Trump 's butt with their lips. Trump tells the police to rough up people when they arrest them and now the police are doing it. So who are the real terrorist? He is in the white house and he will lie, cheat, deflect and abuse his power to say president. He loves dictators and wants to be one. So your support for him is misdirected just like many Germanys with Hitler.
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93 percent of the protest have had no violence?!

So 7% do. How is this a good thing in any stretch of the imagination? The part you guys completely miss is that the 7% are completely diminishing the other 93%. The mass majority of people agree that black lives matter but when you have people destroying innocent people businesses, doxxing police families, forcing innocent people to put up their fist and shout black lives matter, shooting security guards, ambushing police proceeding to block ambulances yelling they hope the cops dies. Screaming "death to America"(a small percent but it's being said). Unlike you guys I can denounce the Proudboys and the KKK. They don't represent me. But this is not the proud boys. This kind of behavior has been swept under the rug and made excuses for by Democrats. Again, **** the hate group bitch *** Proud Boys. **** violence in general but if you all want to bring up hypocrisy look no further than the 7% that are violent and how you stay silent.
 
Beer said:
Not sure how that is related to the above posts but yes, that was a stupid and racist thing to say.
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To point out hypocrisy. An admitted ''whatboutism".

Imagine not having a name to those quotes and just reading them. Imagine Trump saying "Unlike the African American community, with notable exceptions, the Latino community is an incredibly diverse community". How is that not viewed as a white nationalist viewpoint? What he's saying is bluntly racist. People are more than willing to let their own candidate say racist things then just gallop up on their high horse trying to lecture others on morals.
 
JazzyFresh said:
Reduce major drug prices like insulin
Bring drug manufacturing to the us for generic drugs(huge I think)
Openly force drug companies to disclose pricing

-Things Trump is doing right now but it's nowhere near enough. I actually love my plan o have right now so it's tough for me to really complain. I do think it needs an overhaul but ACA is not it and completely against replacing garbage with garbage just to do it.
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First off. has he done any of those things? Or are they still just speaking points? Because although I am on board with all of them until he actually fulfills them it is fake news to me.
 
If you're going to start your own organization, figure out a better name than Proud Boys. Would only be lamer if it were Proud Boyzz.

And if your intent is to denounce and the organization you're denouncing is more emboldened and feel supported after you supposedly denounce them, you're obviously doing it wrong.
 
cowhide said:
Yea after Trump made the comment about the Poor Boys. All I could think is holy S%*t and what I heard was a bunch of white militia telling their guys get ready. The year 2020 has certainly changed the world. I might need to buy me a gun. 60 years old and never felt the need to have one but after last night I better get ready too.
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I had my guns in storage, since I moved to California. I have since, in the past few months, gotten out my M9A1 and cleaned it up and went shooting. Took my family. My wife, who is kind of on the fence about guns, told me one night she was glad I got my gun out again. She said even in the gun safe on my shelf she feels safer.

This is ****ing insane. We have slipped into the darkest timeline, goatees and all. We are living in the Mandela universe, Berenstain bears and all.
 
I've said this before but I would vote Tulsi Gabbard in a heartbeat. Biden is just a puppet though. Both Biden and Trump have been accused of sexual assault. Hell you see Biden literally sniffing little
Beer said:
First off. has he done any of those things? Or are they still just speaking points? Because although I am on board with all of them until he actually fulfills them it is fake news to me.
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I did say "things he is doing" as in things he is working on that I like. I then said he's not doing "anywhere near enough". Unlike my counterparts I can admit faults(my party faults), Trump is nowhere near perfect and he is failing on his healthcare plan. Keep in mind that he has been dealing with a tremendous amount of tyrant **** like his sham impeachment and now a once in a century world wide virus. Regardless I can admit his plan thus far sucks.
 
JazzyFresh said:
To point out hypocrisy. An admitted ''whatboutism".

Imagine not having a name to those quotes and just reading them. Imagine Trump saying "Unlike the African American community, with notable exceptions, the Latino community is an incredibly diverse community". How is that not viewed as a white nationalist viewpoint? What he's saying is bluntly racist. People are more than willing to let their own candidate say racist things then just gallop up on their high horse trying to lecture others on morals.
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I think it is clear to most everyone that our choices are between blatantly terrible and blatantly evil. In that case I take blatantly terrible over blatantly evil any day of the week and twice on Sunday. Trump's evil needs to go.
 
LogGrad98 said:
I think it is clear to most everyone that our choices are between blatantly terrible and blatantly evil. In that case I take blatantly terrible over blatantly evil any day of the week and twice on Sunday. Trump's evil needs to go.
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You're fear mongering is tiresome. Until we start looting, burning down businesses, hating police, supporting a group that calls each other Comrades and fly's the hammer and sickle, shoot fireworks at occupied apartments, going into neighborhoods shining lights into innocent peoples houses, doxxing these very innocent people, ambushing innocent police, crowding people at restaurants demanding they support Trump like BLM is guilty of, tearing down statues that have no rhyme or reason to be torn down(not talking about the confederate ones) and being flat out violent...I would appreciate you get on that high horse and be astonishingly hypocritical to someone who doesn't see right through your ****. This is not MAGA, we are generally peaceful. This is Bidens and Obamas(created under their watch) base.
 
JazzyFresh said:
Did you say anything when Biden said

"Unlike the African American community, with notable exceptions, the Latino community is an incredibly diverse community with incredibly diverse attitudes about different things,"

"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy, I mean, that's a storybook, man."



This is extremely racist yet you all stay silent.
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Exactly. Biden voters stay silent when Biden does something stupid. They don't defend him. That's pretty normal.

Trump does something stupid and they defend him every time.

See the difference?

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JazzyFresh said:
I've said this before but I would vote Tulsi Gabbard in a heartbeat. Biden is just a puppet though. Both Biden and Trump have been accused of sexual assault. Hell you see Biden literally sniffing little

I did say "things he is doing" as in things he is working on that I like. I then said he's not doing "anywhere near enough". Unlike my counterparts I can admit faults(my party faults), Trump is nowhere near perfect and he is failing on his healthcare plan. Keep in mind that he has been dealing with a tremendous amount of tyrant **** like his sham impeachment and now a once in a century world wide virus. Regardless I can admit his plan thus far sucks.
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I have no party so you don't have to convince me the dems are full of **** to. But those that praise Trump I feel are either misinformed or are resting on his likely false promises.
 
cowhide said:
interrupting someone when they are trying to speak isn't steamrolling it is just plain rude and juvenile.
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Homeboy... you ever steam rolled your wife... guarantee she will tell you that is rude and juvenile.

Seriously though he is an *** but he is often able to be the loudest voice in the room and is able to talk over others. Its a strange form of dominance. Thats all I was really trying to convey.
 
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