Hayward has agreed to an offer with Hornets
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LOL.. have you ever thought, may be you're not cut out for this????
All I am saying is that this is a crazy summer for the Jazz lol
Haha... I'm just worried for your well being bro... LOL,,, we're all family here.
No worries bro! I will be excited as hell when I see exum playing in vegas this Saturday
and I bet hayward situation is over by then
Stickler
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https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/487145008475435010
In light of this news, I will say I think the Jazz are doing the right thing in matching the contract. Hayward isn't "worth" the max, of course, but he's an important part of our future, I think. I do understand why so many soured on Hayward this past season, even if I don't agree. There were few good free agents this offseason, and a lot of teams with a ton of capspace, which is a recipe for people getting overpaid. That's the simple reality.
It's not my money, and the Jazz can afford it. So I don't begrudge the choice. In terms of this contract eventually causing us to have to choose between Kanter, Burks, and/or Burke, that was going to happen no matter what. But here's the good news to keep in mind as we watch Exum turn into a star over the next four years -- he'll likely be making far less than he deserves. So on balance, it's all right with me if Hayward makes more than he deserves.
In four years' time, when Hayward is due for a new contract, it will also be the summer that all these young players from this 2014 draft class will be free agents for the first time. The market for free agents will be vastly different, and Hayward, whether he goes or stays, will be due for a massive paycut. There will be a bunch of young potential stars for teams to sign, and fewer teams with the kind of cap-space that everybody had this year.
So if we're contending again, then, and we still want to keep Hayward, there will be strong potential to do so, this time on the kind of contract he's worth, if not at a steep discount determined by simple market forces.
For everyone who complains about the Kirilenko contract, let's remember that it didn't prevent us from signing Boozer, Okur, or from paying D-Will and Millsap, or from acquiring Korver. For a few years we fielded a hell of a team. I don't actually think that contract cost us opportunities, even if AK was massively overpaid.
The Hayward contract won't cost us opportunities, either. And if it turns out that I'm wrong, there will probably be a two year window in which the contract is perfectly tradeable.
I'm okay with all of this. I'm not happy with the money. But I think the Jazz are a better team with Hayward on the floor.
Yeah, like it or not, I think it's welcome back Mr. Gordon Hayward.
Here's hoping you can play up to the MAX contract you're now getting.
Ellipse
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He couldn't handle the stress (and criticism) he received last year. Now he will find out how AK felt when the fans turned on him because his play didn't match his pay.
Ellipse
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But not the year after, because next year Kanter and Burks are going to demand max money and the Jazz won't be able to match. You cannot build a championship team by paying players twice what they are worth.
GVC
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1. Last year's team was the least watchable team in my time as a Jazz fan (since 03/04). I'm not sure Exum, Hood and internal growth change that so quickly. We may be in for another ugly sub-30-win season.
2. So the Jazz should just keep all the players currently on the roster and punt the next 3 to 4 years? That's the argument FOR matching Gordo's contract? Depressing.
bjunior
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no, you can't
so you're either slow down your expectations with the jazz and live with it
or you root for some real contenders, there are always some nice ones every year
Game6Conley
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How do yall feel in-general about 'the Market' setting prices??
I for one am not a fan, though im a staunch believer that things are worth what people will pay for them.
My biggest issue is, if the market is overpaying everyone, why participate at-all ?
Is there something pressing? (the playoffs? need to fill seats?)
Knowing when to take your chips off the table is probably more important than getting the chips in the first place.
I for one am not a fan, though im a staunch believer that things are worth what people will pay for them.
My biggest issue is, if the market is overpaying everyone, why participate at-all ?
Is there something pressing? (the playoffs? need to fill seats?)
Knowing when to take your chips off the table is probably more important than getting the chips in the first place.
I don't have a problem with the market setting prices.. as long as MY team doesn't overpay.
GVC
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1. The market sets the price. In pro sports free agency, the market price is equal to at least as much as the second highest price a team is willing (and able) to pay.
2. The market price for a player is not the same as his value to a particular team.
3. The RFA price for a player may or may not represent what that player will be worth in the future. That is, the Jazz should be concerned about how much Gordo is worth to them as a player and as an asset that can be traded now AND in the future.
4. Given 2 and 3 above, the Jazz should be concerned about Gordo's RFA price (the other team max) because it's likely correlated with his value to teams in the future (when he could be traded). That is, we might see Gordo as being worth far less than he'll be paid, but other teams may value Gordo enough that it makes more sense to match than to hold onto the cap space (and the potentially improved pick).
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Ellipse
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Ahh, the old "go root for another team" stick. I'm not going to respond to that because I wish to remain civil. As for slowing down my expectations, I've been a Jazz fan since they moved from New Orleans; I've been waiting for 42 years.