2019 Trade Deadline Discussion

[Dali]

Favors is a valuable defender and PNR roll man, the game isn't just points and rebounds. Also Faves deal was "overpaid" so Jazz could get the team-controlled 1+1 which is huge.

If course it’s not just points, but what’s one of the first things people look for, if not the first thing, when looking at box score? Points.

What is one of the biggest things that affects how much a player can get contract wise? Points.

Which type of players are drafted highest from college? Predominantly ones who can score.

Name me a player in probably the top 10 to 15 players who are defensive specialists only, with limited to no offensive game?

A big who can score, rebound at an A level, and shoot 3’s, I have no doubt will receive a sizeable contract. All this on a team with AD, who the ball offense goes through every time.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

If course it’s not just points, but what’s one of the first things people look for, if not the first thing, when looking at box score? Points.

What is one of the biggest things that affects how much a player can get contract wise? Points.

Which type of players are drafted highest from college? Predominantly ones who can score.

Name me a player in probably the top 10 to 15 players who are defensive specialists only, with limited to no offensive game?

A big who can score, rebound at an A level, and shoot 3’s, I have no doubt will receive a sizeable contract. All this on a team with AD, who the ball offense goes through every time.

The ball does not go through AD every time. They run and shoot quick shots, which is why they have 4 guys scoring over 18 a game.

 

[Dali]

The ball does not go through AD every time. They run and shoot quick shots, which is why they have 4 guys scoring over 18 a game.

They have 3 guys scoring over 18, technically. Considering how much usage AD and Jrue have, it’s a fantastic effort by Niko and Randle to average as much as they are, Randle especially.

AD and Jrue shoot 20 and 16 times per game, respectively.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

They have 3 guys scoring over 18, technically. Considering how much usage AD and Jrue have, it’s a fantastic effort by Niko and Randle to average as much as they are, Randle especially.

AD and Jrue shoot 20 and 16 times per game, respectively.

It's not really effort. Its their system. They shoot the ball a lot.

 

[Dali]

It's not really effort. Its their system. They shoot the ball a lot.

When you praise the system, you also need to praise the players for making it efficient.

Atlanta seems to be the top team in pace, yet near the bottom of the rankings for team ppg.

This is where i give credit to players like Niko and Randle, the latter of which scores 19 per, from only 12 shots.

Anyway I won’t be surprised if Niko gets 20+ mil.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

When you praise the system, you also need to praise the players for making it efficient.

Atlanta seems to be the top team in pace, yet near the bottom of the rankings for team ppg.

This is where i give credit to players like Niko and Randle, the latter of which scores 19 per, from only 12 shots.

Anyway I won’t be surprised if Niko gets 20+ mil.

I'd be shocked if Niko gets that much, even if he stayed at his current production level. It will most likely drop.

And yeah, the system is fine. But it's not like Mirotic is high effort. He runs down the floor and jacks up shots when he gets the ball. He doesnt play defense at all.

 

[campaignist]

Name me a player in probably the top 10 to 15 players who are defensive specialists only, with limited to no offensive game?

Rudy.

 

[Dali]

I'd be shocked if Niko gets that much, even if he stayed at his current production level. It will most likely drop.

And yeah, the system is fine. But it's not like Mirotic is high effort. He runs down the floor and jacks up shots when he gets the ball. He doesnt play defense at all.

10 rebounds per game smells like effort to to me. You have to give the players their due for running a good offense at least.

2nd best in the NBA.

 

[Dali]

Rudy.

Top in salary I meant. Rudy is also having his best offensive season thus far, no?

 

[LoPo]

Rudy.

I love Rudy, but he isn't a top 12 player in my book:

LBJ
KD
Curry
Kawhi
Westbrook
Lillard
Kemba
AD
Harden
Giannis
Kyrie
Embiid

A good argument...
PG
Oladipo
Jrue Holiday
CP3
DeRozan
Gasol
Draymond
Klay
Donovan
Tatum
Blake Griffin
Porzingis
Butler


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[Saint Cy of JFC]

10 rebounds per game smells like effort to to me. You have to give the players their due for running a good offense at least.

2nd best in the NBA.

It's high tempo offense. Lots of rebounds and shots available.

 

[Dali]

In the end, a good offensive scoring game brings the big dollars, that’s just a fact.

 

[zyzz]

Anyone here still on Jabari Island? Making 20mil this year yikes.

 

[infection]

Anyone here still on Jabari Island? Making 20mil this year yikes.

Just came here to post that. What a fall from grace. He was always touted as an optimistic, good guy, but that’s been shot to **** in under a year.

 

[LoPo]

Just came here to post that. What a fall from grace. He was always touted as an optimistic, good guy, but that’s been shot to **** in under a year.

If people hate the Exum deal, just imagine what some people would be saying about a 4x$80 deal some people proposed on here..... Yikes

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[Dali]

Just came here to post that. What a fall from grace. He was always touted as an optimistic, good guy, but that’s been shot to **** in under a year.

This is where players should not say nonsense like not caring about defense, which certainly does not help his cause.

 

[LoPo]

If they wanted to take a bad deal for a pick, Jabari's pretty much expiring deal could be valuable for Chicago. It would be kind of like Cleveland taking Dellie and Henson for a pick.

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[Saint Cy of JFC]

Just came here to post that. What a fall from grace. He was always touted as an optimistic, good guy, but that’s been shot to **** in under a year.

Uhh, wut? You can be a good guy and optimistic and just be terrible at defense.

 

[LoPo]

We have our first Favors sighting in trade conversation: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ya...-early-trade-window-approaches-184040475.html

"Derrick Favors, Utah Jazz: Favors re-signed on what is a de facto one-year, $18 million contract. He’s signed for 2019-20, but that year is fully non-guaranteed. The Jazz are off to a bumpy start, and Favors has been in and out of the starting lineup, depending on matchups. If Utah decides to go in a different direction, Favors would be a great option for playoff teams that need another big man, but value cap flexibility this summer."

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[One Brow]

In the end, a good offensive scoring game brings the big dollars, that’s just a fact.

Spoken like a true Jabari Parker. How about instead of bringing all high-scoring players, we worry about players who help in wins in all kinds of ways, particularly defense?