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Gameface said:
Bernie Bros have a reputation for their aggressive attacks on anyone who doesn't pass their purity test.

I mean holy ****, I said he wasn't my first choice but that I would absolutely support him and be completely happy to have him as the POTUS but that's not good enough for Cy. I hate health care reform and the middle class working people now...
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Lmao Jesus fing Christ. Purity test? If that's what you call not supporting a dude like Bloomberg then lmao.
 
There is literally nothing positive saying you'll support Bloomberg. Our votes have power, use them to get what you want, not concede to the powers that be. Saying that **** just empowers the DNC establishment to pull some ****ery.
 
Catchall said:
If Bernie is that strong a candidate, he should have more than 25%-35% support among Democrats. He should be in the 45%-55% support range right now.
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Nobody has consolidated a contested race that fast in recent years.

2008 Obama was at 37% of pledged delegates through IA/NH
2008 McCain was at 20%
2012 Romney at 33%
2016 Trump at 34%
2016 Clinton at 48%

Bernie at 33% is in fine shape

Kerry was probably the last example of a candidate doing so successfully, and how'd that work out for him?
 
Gameface said:
If the DNC plays dirty AGAIN and takes the nomination away from Sanders we're gonna get 4 more years of Trump. I think they know that.

They need someone to actually get more delegates than Sanders legit, without their overt interference. If that doesn't happen you've got to saddle up and ride with Sanders.
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Alternatively, if they actually don't cheat like they are so accustomed to doing and Bernie does in fact get the nomination, we're gonna get 4 more years of Trump.
 
Eminence said:
Nobody has consolidated a contested race that fast in recent years.

2008 Obama was at 37% of pledged delegates through IA/NH
2008 McCain was at 20%
2012 Romney at 33%
2016 Trump at 34%
2016 Clinton at 48%

Bernie at 33% is in fine shape
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In 2016, Trump won New Hampshire by 20 points, Nevada by 23 points, and South Carolina by 10 points.
Bernie won New Hampshire by 1.3 points. He is currently polling 5 points behind Biden in South Carolina. Bernie could with Nevada by 8-10 points though.

Bernie's got a ways to go, and he may hit a ceiling at 30% - 35% support among Dems. That's not exactly a mandate from the people.
 
Catchall said:
In 2016, Trump won New Hampshire by 20 points, Nevada by 23 points, and South Carolina by 10 points.
Bernie won New Hampshire by 1.3 points. He is currently polling 5 points behind Biden in South Carolina. Bernie could with Nevada by 8-10 points though.

Bernie's got a ways to go, and he may hit a ceiling at 30% - 35% support among Dems. That's not exactly a mandate from the people.
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You really need to stop talking man. Lmao. Use actual data.
 
Catchall said:
In 2016, Trump won New Hampshire by 20 points, Nevada by 23 points, and South Carolina by 10 points.
Bernie won New Hampshire by 1.3 points. He is currently polling 5 points behind Biden in South Carolina. Bernie could with Nevada by 8-10 points though.

Bernie's got a ways to go, and he may hit a ceiling at 30% - 35% support among Dems. That's not exactly a mandate from the people.
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You know there are head to head polls that show this idea of a low Bernie ceiling is ******** right?
 
I think a lot of people are stuck with the perception that Bernie's campaign this year has the same problems it did in 2016. From what I've gathered this is not the case. They weren't well organized and had a pretty terrible ground game, neither of which is the case this go around.

The message is largely the same (which resonated then) but the delivery of it has improved drastically.
 
The idea that Bernie has a lower ceiling than the very best candidates (eg Obama) is probably pretty legit. Imo it's not near low enough to worry, and there are no candidates running this year (either side) that are significantly higher in terms of ceiling. Having a strong base has put him in a good position to pull out the primary in a wide field (similar to Trump '16). And the country is divided enough that any GE margin is going to be relatively small (I doubt anyone passes Obama '08 for some time, let alone Reagan level blowouts which I doubt we'll see again in our lifetimes).
 
Catchall said:
Bernie is selling anger to the younger generation, fueled by economic inequality. The economic inequality is real, and it's a real problem. It's a fair topic. The reality is that wealth accumulation is mostly generational, and the Baby Boom generation now owns most of the real estate and the stocks. America's middle-class has been disappearing over the last 25 years, and young people, saddled with college debt and struggling to earn decent wages, are finding it difficult or impossible to own a home and raise a family in most major cities.

The Democratic party is clearly split between 'progressives' and 'moderates.' Neither side seems to want to accommodate the other.
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And therein lies the inherent problem of populism. To get an idea past you need the numbers, and guess what voting block the DNC caters to? Boomers. Rich, white, boomers scared *****ess of running out of money. Why do you think Obamacare finally passed? For the poor? GTFO. It was passed because boomers were bitching and moaning that they couldn't retire at 56 because they wouldn't have insurance. So the ****ers did the selfish thing like their generation always has, and now we have Obamacare for them.

There are only scraps left over for the rest of you youngsters looking for a handout until you dip ***** tell the boomers to **** off and take away their social security. They have enough wealth as a class, go tax their assets and make those welfare queens get a job! Vote your best interest like they have. Take their bennies so you can have some bennies too.

 
According to the latest Federal Election Commission (FEC) data released Thursday, covering Jan. 1 through Jan. 31, the Republican National Committee has $76 million cash-on-hand compared with the Democratic National Committee’s $9.9 million.
 
The Thriller said:
The resistance to Bernie isn’t just dumb Americans being scurred of scurry words like “socialism.” It’s that Bernie is a lousy candidate. I’m worried that his angry ranting plays right into Trump’s hands. I’m worried he will alienate coalitions of people (like @colton) that we need to win/hold onto to beat Trump, win the senate, and retain the House. It’s like all the lessons of 2018, “The Year Of The Moderate” have already been forgotten. I’m worried that his past comments about Cuba and the USSR will make easy ads for Trump. Finally, I’m not comfortable with “a revolution.” America doesn’t need that. We need to reform our institutions and update some of our programs to meet the needs of the 21st century. We don’t need to burn them down with a bunch of loud angry young men (history has proven that this rarely works out).

The mere fact that Bernie’s campaign leadership and fans are just as intolerant and obnoxious as Trump’s is off-putting to me. Suddenly, I’m not liberal enough for Bernie Bros who feel like they can take over our party. Suddenly @Gameface is being attacked as if he were a Trumper. It’s seriously scary the similarities between how Trump took over the Republican Party in 2015-2016 and how Sanders is taking over the Democratic Party now. I think Sanders will win the nomination. I think the establishment is failing and the guardrails are breaking. How long lasting his victory will be I think depends on if he wins the general in 2020. Sadly, for the establishment to restore order, we may need 4 more years of Trump. Sigh
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Straight up: All of this is accurate. The Sanders people tell me I might as well be a Republican. They insist everyone more moderate than Elizabeth Warren is the enemy.

It's not just people like @colton who will be pushed out of the coalition - it's me too. And I'm a lot easier to turn out than Colton.
 
Jazzta said:
Yeah, Bernie supporters would have thrown him down the stairs. Did you have to make a spontaneous act of kindness political? Of course you did.
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Just trying to point out that maybe we're not the cult, racist, deplorable humans that some here and many on the left have portrayed us as for the last 4 years.. We're just typical America loving people who want the best for our country. It's nice to be shed in a nice light sometimes for how much hate we get.

I'm sorry that bothered you so much. Actually, I'm not.
 
JazzyFresh said:
Just trying to point out that maybe we're not the cult, racist, deplorable humans that some here and many on the left have portrayed us as for the last 4 years.. We're just typical America loving people who want the best for our country. It's nice to be shed in a nice light sometimes for how much hate we get.

I'm sorry that bothered you so much. Actually, I'm not.
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“The country we’re born to hate”, as if love for this country is exclusive to Trump supporters. If all Trump supporters think like you what do you think you will be getting back from the opposition?
 
Jazzta said:
“The country we’re born to hate”, as if love for this country is exclusive to Trump supporters. If all Trump supporters think like you what do you think you will be getting back from the opposition?
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I expected nothing but the hateful response I got..
 
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