2020 Presidential election

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by gandalfe, Dec 31, 2018.

  1. DasJazz

    DasJazz Well-Known Member

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    As opposed to Hillary? Come on dude.
     
  2. Stoked

    Stoked Well-Known Member Contributor 2018 Award Winner

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    I’ve seen it stated otherwise in real life and on here. Repeatedly. Seems to be the fringe left mostly but it is out there.
     
  3. Zombie

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    I'd go so far as to say they were all comfortable enought with or ignorant of (although I have a hard time seeing how that's possible) Trump's sexism and racism. I guess that doesn't make them all racists or sexists, but it clearly wasn't a deal breaker.
     
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  4. The Thriller

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    Speaking of idiots...

    Trump voters. Watch this:

     
  5. fishonjazz

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    As opposed to the other Republican candidates. Trump should have never been in the running for president.

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  6. DasJazz

    DasJazz Well-Known Member

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    Fair enough. I was originally a Ted Cruz guy but his downfall at least to me was he started to become obsessed with Donald Trump. Everything he said turned into a long winded tirade about Trump instead of how he himself would address fixing issues in the country.

    That's when I started to lose faith in him as a candidate. I still think he'd make a great president, but that was a big turn off for me.
     
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  7. Bulletproof

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    There really wasn't another Republican I liked. Most of the ones I probably could have been okay with went out early because the Republican base just loved the gross ones.
     
  8. fishonjazz

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    I get that. The Republican candidates sucked. Ok. But Trump? Come on people.

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  9. Carbon13

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    The elections of right wing demagogues occurring all across the world are loosely connected. Candidates viewed as hostile to the ruling class are popular right now. Stagnated wages, low job satisfaction, and lack of access to healthcare and education has created a critical mass of desperate people. Outside of Bernie and Elizabeth Warren, I don’t see a progressive alternative to Trump. If Biden gets the nomination, it’s over. Trump will push through to reelection, on the same anti-establishment/outsider energy that got him and Obama elected.
     
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  10. NPC D4617

    NPC D4617 Well-Known Member

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    Agree. All the Republican candidates sucked. And so did the Democratic ones too. Im still waiting for a candidate I actually like..
     
  11. NPC D4617

    NPC D4617 Well-Known Member

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    Thats how bad the Republican candidates were and Hillary too. Trump was better than all of them.
     
  12. Carbon13

    Carbon13 Well-Known Member

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    The democrats did such a poor job in 2016, and I **** you not, they literally lost a presidential election to Donald Trump.
     
  13. NPC D4617

    NPC D4617 Well-Known Member

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    Sorry, cant watch it. Im banning CNN from giving me "news"

    If you can find that same story from a less biased source I will check it out.
     
  14. NPC D4617

    NPC D4617 Well-Known Member

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    Also, if you can find where a right wing site has reported the same news then I will consider it real news.

    Right wing+left wing "news" = real news.
     
  15. The Thriller

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    I don’t think we should let people off that easily. Deplorables who vote for populists and hateful demagogues aren’t all “victims” of capitalism or globalism. “Economic anxiety” as the primary driver behind right wing populism was debunked in something I read a while ago. I’ll try and find the article I read...

    Even historically, “economic anxiety” has been used as a popular explanation for citizens turning against their fellow citizens and electing a populist. But just because something has been repeated as nauseam doesn’t make it true. Germany’s Economy was already recovering prior to Hitler’s rise to power.

    The most likely primary factor in rise of right wing white supremacy both here and in Europe is racism and sexism:

    And

    Stanford:

    Finally:

    The evidence is plain to see in trump’s daily tweets and fascist rallies. His voters care the most about “the wall”, immigrants, sexism, and sticking it to minorities (Muslims, LGBT, etc). His voters live in a constant state of victimhood and alt facts. They’ll never be satisfied. Just look at how angry they still are despite having complete control of government for most of Trump’s presidency.

    Trump’s enabled by a powerful and rich political base that is exploiting him for regulation and tax cuts, just as the conservative base exploited Hitler (until he grew out of control). The Kochs, Mercers, Adelsons, and Mitch McConnells of the nation don’t give a **** about the wall or Trump. But they do love what he’s doing to the epa, law enforcement agencies and federal/supreme courts, and tax code.

    He’s supported by a well developed propaganda apparatus of online trolls, am radio, and Fox News hosts who make money by spreading their misinformation and paranoia to the rubes addicted to incessant victimhood and life in a cultural bubble of alt facts. What began as a misinformation and paranoia campaign under Nixon’s “silent majority”, got kicked into high gear in 1993 with the launch of Fox News, has really been perfected with the development of social media. These people are lost to their own angry reality of perpetual victimhood and hate.

    I’m not sure if we’ll ever get 30-40 percent of the country back. But the rest of us sure can outvote them for the well-being of our nation and planet.

    https://theintercept.com/2018/09/18/2016-election-race-class-trump/
     
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  16. Red

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    I thought the "well meaning" comment was the most telling, in relation to Trump's ever present narcissism. For Trump, it was "well meaning" because whoever was responsible was thinking of Trump's feelings. Completely lost to Trump, on the other hand, is the fact that it's somehow "well meaning" to want to dishonor the memory of McCain, as well as McCain's father and grandfather. Plus, he had to take the time to once again inform everyone just how much he disliked John McCain. Really impossible to confuse this president with a class act....
     
  17. The Thriller

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    Hillary won the majority vote by 3 million voters.

    She lost 3 key battleground states that delivered the electoral college to trump where Russian disinformation was at its highest by a combined 80,000 votes.

    Hillary was a flawed candidate.

    But her campaign’s mistakes have been greatly over-exaggerated while Russian disinformation and the culture of American victimhood and alt history/facts under-reported. For hells sakes, we are still debating whether we should have statues of terrorists like Robert E Lee up in public places.

    Is Germany debating whether or not they should place statues of Hitler in public places?

    America’s refusal honestly tackle the issue of racism and failure of reconstruction after the civil war is what’s led us to the cultural divide we have today.
     
  18. Carbon13

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    This is a lot to read, what are your main points? That sexism and racism got trump elected?
     
  19. The Thriller

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    I agree with you there. 100 percent. Pundits claim that Biden can “recapture” the white suburban vote. Yet, they ignore that his nomination will go over like a lead balloon. Young people, progressives, and people of color won’t be excited over Biden.

    Democrats should focus on exciting their base and overrunning Trump voters in 2020, not chasing after the handful who left and defected to trump.
     
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  20. The Thriller

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    It’s a few paragraphs dude. Like literally it’ll take you 3 mins to read. The studies are fascinating.

    Yes, racism and sexism, not the widely reported “economic anxiety” myth. Racism and sexism are the primary factors for trump’s rise.
     

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