2020 Presidential election

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by gandalfe, Dec 31, 2018.

  1. Carbon13

    Carbon13 Well-Known Member

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    This is a basketball message board bro, I don’t come here to read heavy news!!
     
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  2. Carbon13

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    Yes racism is real.

    The three states Hillary lost voted Obama 4 years prior. They suddenly became racist?
     
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  3. The Thriller

    The Thriller Well-Known Member

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    When you get a chance/more time, read the Vox article. It’s interesting what the different studies found.
     
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  4. The Thriller

    The Thriller Well-Known Member

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    Yes.

    * Black turnout dropped like a rock
    * Voters full of Resentment for blacks/immigrants turned out for trump

    Combined with Russian disinformation and Wikileaks spelled trouble for Clinton. It wasn’t her campaign that was responsible for the loss. Credit to Trump for exploiting racism and credit Russia for its disinformation campaign that even the Mueller report described as “significant” and “effective.”
     
  5. Carbon13

    Carbon13 Well-Known Member

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    You don’t hold Hillary accountable for a lack of excitement for her campaign?

    You don’t hold the Democrats accountable for tipping the scales in her favor during the primaries?

    It was abundantly clear that Sanders was polling way way better than Hillary against trump

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/e...s/general_election_trump_vs_sanders-5565.html
     

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  6. The Thriller

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    Sanders failed to win the primary so he didn’t have the opportunity to run against trump in the general and I already have admitted that she was a flawed candidate.
     
  7. Carbon13

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    Ah, I see. Trump won “because he cheated against Hillary” (which he was not indicted for after a two year long investigation with boundless resources). But the fact that the DNC cheated to have Hillary win and that the person she beat likely would have beaten trump is completely lost on you.

    Got it
     
  8. The Thriller

    The Thriller Well-Known Member

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    Sigh

    Yep. That’s it.

    Refuses to read a few paragraphs of article explaining the economic anxiety myth but is now suddenly an expert at on the Mueller report.

    Got it
     
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  9. LogGrad98

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    This would have been the perfect year for Romney to run. I think he would have gotten in.
     
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  10. One Brow

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    There was no single cause for the loss, but among the multiple causes, her campaign's failure to shore up key states was one.
     
  11. Stoked

    Stoked Well-Known Member Contributor 2018 Award Winner

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    Simply being a Clinton was another. Lots of people are sick of Dynasties in politics.
     
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  12. The Thriller

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    Debatable. That’s not what the data shows.

    This entire article was interesting when it came out. Even more so now that we’ve had 2 years to see Trump’s exploitation of racism and are beginning to understand the lengths and depths of russia’s Disinformation campaign in key battleground states. The Mueller report explicitly states that Russia’s disinformation campaign was geared towards depressing the vote of African Americans, sowing discord and distrust of the process, and helping Trump.

    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/clintons-ground-game-didnt-cost-her-the-election/
     
  13. The Thriller

    The Thriller Well-Known Member

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    Oof

     
  14. LogGrad98

    LogGrad98 Well-Known Member Contributor

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    I think this can be summed up as underestimating her opponent. I think it's also related to the concept put forth by Anthony Bourdain that the left tends to treat most conservatives like backwater rubes. No way he can win when it's just a bunch of redneck morons that will vote for him. No need to try too hard really. I think one of the reasons for the shock and outrage over the election was due to the disbelief that Hillary could even lose to someone like that. It wasn't the way the universe was supposed to work, hence it must be raised against.

    Not that everyone was wrong to rail against Trump. I just think the initial wave, complete with grief counselors, occurred because they just could not fathom not winning.
     
  15. Zombie

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    I think this was definitely part of it. There was also the sense that this country had made some pretty big strides during the Obama administration, liberal causes like gay rights, pot legalization, universal healthcare, climate change, were finally seeing some progress. Seeing Trump get elected was a serious punch in the gut in that regard as many people saw that progress at real risk of being undone.
     
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  17. Archie Moses

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    I never voted for Romney before in the past, but if he ran again I'd vote for him simply because he's way less polarizing and could help level partisan hate.
     
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  18. Stoked

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  19. idestroyedthetoilet

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    I think Trump wins again simply because life has been pretty good for most and he's done a damn good job of keeping the ship from rocking. He's going to go down as one of the most successful presidents. Everybody loves peace and prosperity, special emphasis on peace.
     
  20. The Thriller

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    Yikes...

     

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