2020 Presidential election

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by gandalfe, Dec 31, 2018.

  1. The Thriller

    The Thriller Well-Known Member

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    It’s been pretty widely reported that Putin and Clinton have a history.

    A. He blames her for the disastrous 2011-2012 campaign where his party took a hit in popularity. Putin won the presidency but lower percentage than ever before.

    B. She’s far more hawkish than Trump and would work to strengthen our partnerships with Europe, not weaken them.

    C. Being a Democrat, her presidency would focus more on human rights than Trump’s. So things like the Magnitsky Act, sanctions, gay rights, etc would’ve been strengthened not weakened.

    D. Trump has had business interests in Russia/Soviet Union since the 80s. Just by Knowing this, it opens the door to potential opportunities.

    E. If you’re America’s enemy, wouldn’t you want Trump to win? You don’t have to be a fan of Clinton to know that if you want America to look, around, and act dumb, you want Trump in charge, not Clinton.

    This article sums up why Putin hates Clinton:

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-22/vladimir-putin-and-hillary-clinton-hatred-explained/9783076

    Anyone interested in a good summer read where the former ambassador and Stanford Professor discusses Russia and why Putin hates him (and Clinton), read Michael McFaul’s book, “From Cold War to Hot Peace.”

     
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  2. The Thriller

    The Thriller Well-Known Member

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    What’s weird to me is how Trumpers ignore that our enemy, Russia, wanted their boy to win.

    As much as I like Warren, if I heard that Kim Jong Un wanted her to win, it’d give me pause. If I heard that he helped her to win and she welcomed his help, I’d be calling for her impeachment (no matter how many judges she nominated).

    So it’s just unimaginable to me that people who grew up with me have no problem with siding with Putin. I might share the same language and skin color as these people, but that’s where it ends. Our politics, value system, and definition of patriotism couldn’t be more different.
     
  3. idestroyedthetoilet

    idestroyedthetoilet Well-Known Member

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    Agree to disagree. Your conspiracy theory hinges on Russia playing for short term gain. China and Russia play the long game.
     
  4. fishonjazz

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    Oh you have a theory that you can't do things for the term and the long term. It's only one or the other. Strange theory.

    I make decisions based on the short term and long term all the time.

    Long term I have money for my daughter for college.
    Short term I saved up some money to buy her a water and sand table to play with. I'm amazing at multi tasking I guess. But a foreign government is unable to lol

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  5. idestroyedthetoilet

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    Thing is tho, there's no reason to entertain your conspiracy theory. It's not really fair to call it a conspiracy theory because there is no meat on that bone. Bad conspiracy theories like Clinton being an agent of The Kremlin have the Uranium One deal. Something to work with. You claim he gave them something but there isn't even a smidgen of evidence to build wild ideas from. If Trump gave them something we'd know about it by now.

    Russian meddling and their long game has a history.
     
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  6. The Thriller

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    People claiming that trump hasn’t given Putin anything clearly aren’t watching the news.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-47023004

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/11/politics/trump-nato-diplomats-reaction/index.html

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019...-russia-suspend-inf-pact-190203152747235.html

    Some of you could really benefit from getting outside your Fox News am radio bubble and actually learn about the world.

    Lifting sanctions, alienating our allies, and shredding the INF treaty are all yuge favors for Putin. Killing the INF treaty alone will take decades to fix. Hell, it took decades to make and a lot of luck in the 1980s to finalize. We’re selling ourselves and our European allies out to serve Putin. Wake the **** up guys.
     
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  7. fishonjazz

    fishonjazz Well-Known Member Contributor 2019 Award Winner 2018 Award Winner

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    Lol

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  8. Red

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    I guess they also choose to ignore Trump's performance in Helsinki, where he kissed Putin's arse on the world stage. America First!

     
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  9. Red

    Red Well-Known Member

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    The Troll in Chief...

     
  10. The Thriller

    The Thriller Well-Known Member

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    This needs to become a focus for 2020.

    Yeah, the economy is doing alright. But not because of the tax cuts. Voters were sold a bad bill of goods from Trump and the Republicans. And the cost is extraordinary. Trillions added to the national debt... and for what? Are we through being tinkled on by Republicans and their rich donors?

    Important read:





     
  11. The Thriller

    The Thriller Well-Known Member

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    Normal. Totally normal

     
  12. The Thriller

    The Thriller Well-Known Member

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    Sigh



    It’s only going to get worse, isn’t it?
     
  13. The Thriller

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    This is, without any doubt, the most horrifying article I’ve ever read on this topic. @Red @Zombie @fishonjazz @Gameface @colton What do y’all think?



    Facebook Disinformation
    Micro targeting:

    Texting:
    and this is just terrifying. What the worst people can do with such great power. My goodness. Working together to destroy lives and discredit reporters critical of Trump

    upcoming war on local press:

     
  14. Red

    Red Well-Known Member

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    Well, I looked closely at Cambridge Analytica/Mercer, and Parscale a few years ago. Fundamental to what the article describes is efforts that can only damage our democracy, and have already done do, and will continue to do so. Trump will be a formidable candidate for reelection. I believe he will be very difficult to beat, and the tactics described here are a huge reason why. An authoritarian harnessing techniques used to develop whatever alternative reality best suits his goal of maintaining power. What is frustrating to me has been the inability of Trump supporters to understand how damaging creating false "realities" will be if we expect the electorate to make decisions based on facts and truth.

    Trump is simply very Orwellian. Create the Big Lie and use it to control the way people vote. Negative ads are one thing, they all use them, and they all mislead to some degree. What Trump and company are up to is a whole other level of manipulating and shaping what people believe is "real". People who don't recognize how damaging that is are people who have yet to clearly see what Trump has represented right from the start, the creation of an authoritarian Chief Executive who can act with impunity and eliminate any accountability.
     
  15. The Thriller

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  16. Zombie

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    Lmao
     
  17. Gameface

    Gameface I actually REALLY like Gobert! Contributor 2018 Award Winner

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    Sorry, WTF is going on with this thread. There seem to be MANY missing posts and just a few posts up we are in June 2019.

    Something is off here.
     
  18. Gameface

    Gameface I actually REALLY like Gobert! Contributor 2018 Award Winner

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    NVM there are two 2020 Presidential election threads.

    Mods pls merge!
     
  19. Zombie

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    Lol this threw me for a loop too.
     

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