2020 Presidential election

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by gandalfe, Dec 31, 2018.

  1. Zombie

    Zombie Well-Known Member

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    As for painting Democrats as socialist, yeah I truly don't think it will matter what the candidates stand for. People willing to trust his word will do so regardless of reality.

    I do agree regarding the ACA.
     
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  2. The Thriller

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    I hope you’re right. I really don’t want Biden. And I think his gaffes, that we all know are coming, could really cost him in the general. Plus, it seems like his own campaign seems a bit slow/reactive. Whereas I feel like both Harris and Warren are running superior campaigns.

    I’m just worried that Warren will kill it on the coasts and win the popular vote while lose everything else in the middle. And because of the electoral college, some idiot addicted to Fox News, gets a disproportionate vote because he lives in some dumpster fire in Ohio or Michigan. The EC pisses me off. It literally makes the entire election dependent on the dumbest voters in Florida and a handful of midwestern states
     
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  3. Zombie

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    It's an understandable fear. However Warren is a really engaging personality and has a knack for relating with people, which could serve her very well in the Midwest.
     
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  4. The Thriller

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    Also, before anyone calls me an elitist, I want them to read this story. These are the types of voters democrats seem to be chasing while trump already owns. And these types of voters, really bug me:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/27/us/auto-worker-jobs-lost.html

    He’s angry that the car factory shut down. But then refuses to move where he can find a job.

    Dude, we all have gone through this. We’ve all had to move, get retained, etc. if I could, I’d live in a rural area Moab, Kanab, or kamas too. I’d love to make a decent living off a high school diploma. But that’s not the 21st century.

    Am I supposed to feel bad for this guy? And how are democrats supposed to win this guy over when he refuses to move or receive training? He seems to just want to sit on his *** and wait for someone like trump to bring the 1950s back.

    Read the article and tell me what you think
     
  5. The Thriller

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    I hope so.

    I like her a lot.

    And personally, I hope trump continues to try and make this a racist fight. It blew up in his face in 2018. Keep alienating everyone who isn’t wearing a white robe, Donald!
     
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  6. Ron Mexico

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    According to Isidewith.com I agree most with Andrew Yang and Gary Johnson. I dont think either of them have a chance though.
     
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  7. tonstermits

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    Biden could win if he never talked again.
     
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  8. Jazzta

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    Sanders, Gabbard or Yang for me.
     
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  9. silesian

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    HRC was the absolute worst candidate to choose. The Dems are absolutely brain dead when it comes to winning. Set aside qualifications, her negatives were high, she was status quo in a change year, and her arrogance led to abysmal strategic choices (just like in the Obama election).

    So I’d argue that her moderate positions were mostly moot.

    PS I held my nose and voted HRC over the racist birther dude.
     
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  10. fishonjazz

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    So sad that this is a question.

    The question should be does the worst piece of **** possible, donald trump, have a chance? And the answer should be no.


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  11. fishonjazz

    fishonjazz Well-Known Member Contributor 2019 Award Winner 2018 Award Winner

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    To me thats a great look. I love a person who has the ability to have thier mind changed. Hate stubborn people who stick to their guns no matter what new info is shown to them and even when they know they are wrong.

    Its wierd to me that this is a negative characteristic to a lot of people.

    In fact there was something a while back that trump flip flopped on (or a better way to put it, changed his mind about). And the right thing to do was change his stance on it. I actually praised the son of a bitch if you can believe it.



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  12. fishonjazz

    fishonjazz Well-Known Member Contributor 2019 Award Winner 2018 Award Winner

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    Imagine that.

    She should just say that mexico will pay for all of our problems. Thats how you get votes. From idiots anyway. Seriously, the Democratic candidate should just be like, are you Americans sick of high insurance premiums? Well I have the answer and don't worry, it's not socialism or free healthcare. Nothing changes. The prices stay the same. I will just have Mexico pay the premiums for you!
    Idiots would go ape **** for that. Who cares that Mexico would of course never agree to that.
    I remember when Trump said that Mexico would pay for our 5 billion dollar wall. I laughed and thought no one would believe such a stupid statement. Joke ended up being on me though. Lots of idiots believed Trump. A guy who lies more than just about anyone. And people believed him about such an obvious lie.


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  13. The Thriller

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    Donald is going to have a lot more money than the Democratic candidate. Corporations, Wall Street, the Kochs love the guy. He’s gotten rid of regulations and has given them big time handouts. he’s going to have the full backing of Fox News. And will probably get a lot more ink than the democratic candidate on cnn and The NY Times. and he is KILLING it with republicans/non-college educated whites.

    As much as I’d like to see him get wiped out in a blue tidal wave, I just don’t think it’s possible anymore.

    Too many dumb and bitter voters in the south and Midwest who equate treating immigrants like humans, gun regulation, and universal health care as communist attacks on their freedumb.
     
  14. The Thriller

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    Iran? Was it bombing Iran that you remember? Because I agree,?his backtracking absolutely was the right move. He got some criticism but it absolutely was the right move.
     
  15. fishonjazz

    fishonjazz Well-Known Member Contributor 2019 Award Winner 2018 Award Winner

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    Why does how much money he has matter? To me that is actually a detriment. I would love to see someone who isn't filthy rich lead our country. Kinda sick of out of touch 1%ers making decisions that effect people that they no nothing about and have nothing in common with.

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  16. The Thriller

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    Money is free speech (according to scotus)

    I don’t disagree with you. I’m with you on liking to see a non uber rich person win.

    But money allows you to buy up ads, hire campaign staff, conduct research, etc. usually, the candidate with the most $, wins.

    We could greatly rectify this through publicly financed campaigns. I think sanders once promoted that idea.
     
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  17. fishonjazz

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    That might have been it.
    Regardless I find it idiotic that some people see willingness to change your mind as a negative characteristic.

    I want my president to have the ability to think one way, investigate their own stance and possibly find new information, and then realize they are wrong and think a totally different, more appropriate way. Apparently this is a negative characteristic though.
    Apparently voters praise stubbornness and unwillingness to change or compromise.

    Just another sad indicator of how crappy our society has become.

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  18. The Thriller

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    TRUMP AINT OUT OF TOUCH! HES GONNA BRING BACK BIG COAL AND ALL THEM CLOSED FACTORIES. HES THE ONLY PRES WHO THINKS ABOUT THE WORKIN FORGOTTEN MAN. HE AINT AN ELITIST HE EATS FAST FOOD AND TALKS JUST LIKE THE REST OF US! WARREN WANTS TO TURN US INTO VENEZUELA WITH SHARIA LAW AND COMMUNISM AND HEALTH CARE.

    I’m a white non-Educated male 45+ years old from the Midwest who’s angry and watches Fox News 10 hrs a day. btw I listen to rush/Hannity at least 45 mins per day and this is essentially every caller on both of their shows.
     
  19. fishonjazz

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    I think that Asian dude (sorry I can't remember his name right now) that Archie likes proposed something where each American gets 100 democracy dollars to finance a candidate or something like that. I think that's a good idea.

    Of course since it's also an out of the box idea and not simply the status quo, no one would like that idea.

    People say that want change and that want anti establishment candidates. But they are lying. The moment someone has a new idea they get labeled extremist.

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  20. fishonjazz

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    And he gon drain teh swamp! He is one of us!

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