2020 Presidential election

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by gandalfe, Dec 31, 2018.

  1. Zombie

    Zombie Well-Known Member

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    So... Three people got more votes than two did? Imagine that lol.

    FWIW:



    Sanders crushes every moderate but Biden head to head.
     
  2. The Thriller

    The Thriller Well-Known Member

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    That’s not the point.

    In arguably one of the most progressive states, the moderates still outperformed the progressives. I absolutely think the warning bells should be going off as swing states could potentially be far more difficult for Sanders to win. Especially once we consider the Fox News scare machine kicking into high gear. We are handing republicans the sword to kill us with.

    The demographic we should be chasing is @colton. He wrote this earlier this week:

    moderates and disenchanted republicans is what fueled the 2018 midterms. We should be focusing on winning them over and isolating the Trump base.

    I know I know, Fox News will always label Democrats as socialists. True. But why make it easier for them by nominating sanders? In the time it takes for him to explain the difference between socialism and democratic socialism to one person, trump will have convinced 100 that sanders is no different than Stalin.
     
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  3. Zombie

    Zombie Well-Known Member

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    They didn't though, Bernie got more votes than anyone. Also voters really don't confine themselves to ideological lanes as much as you'd think. Meaning if/when any one of Biden/Buttigieg/Klobuchar drops out many of them will be switching their support to Sanders. Comparing the votes of two candidates vs three is incredibly misleading.

    You are making a couple assumptions about Sanders viability in the general election that I think are a little off. First that the charge of socialism, levied by Trump and Fox News, is going to be uniquely damaging to him. I don't buy this argument. He's been around forever and faced this criticism last election cycle and his popularity is higher than ever. Second, the people who are going to take Fox News' or Trump's word on this are not going to be voting for a Dem regardless.

    Anyway, all this to say ideology is much less important to the average voter than those of us who are political junkies tend to think it is. Sanders is popular, and he speaks to working class concerns better than any other candidate running. That's going to be the key to winning back some of the people who supported Trump last time imo.
     
  4. fishonjazz

    fishonjazz Well-Known Member Contributor 2019 Award Winner 2018 Award Winner

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    I don't want to simply nominate the candidate that people think has the best chance to beat trump.

    I want to nominate the best candidate to be president. I want the smartest, most compassionate, hardest working, best candidate possible.

    Hopefully they are one in the same.

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  5. fishonjazz

    fishonjazz Well-Known Member Contributor 2019 Award Winner 2018 Award Winner

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    Are there any republican party candidates hoping to win the presidential election this year besides Trump?

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  6. Gameface

    Gameface I actually REALLY like Gobert! Contributor 2018 Award Winner

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    https://qz.com/1696901/2020-republican-presidental-candidates/

    Yeah but I haven't even heard of any primary votes or debates, so basically no.

    I meant it when I said it some time ago, had there been a real challenge and Republicans nominated a candidate other than Trump I would have VERY strongly considered voting for them. I don't have a lot of passion for Democrat policies. I don't really care about the R vs D thing. I'm like you #nevertrump
     
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  7. The Thriller

    The Thriller Well-Known Member

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    many states made it impossible to challenge Donald in a primary. Joe Walsh attempted a primary and just quit this past week. I don’t know how Sanford is doing...
     
  8. Jonah

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    Sanford ended his campaign months ago, back in November. As far as I know, Bill Weld, former Republican governor of Massachusetts, is the only active primary challenger to Trump. He got just over 9 percent of the vote in New Hampshire last Tuesday.
     
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  9. The Thriller

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    So powerful

     
  10. fishonjazz

    fishonjazz Well-Known Member Contributor 2019 Award Winner 2018 Award Winner

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    I liked this
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  11. Jazzta

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    I like how senators Mike Lee and Rand Paul got on Trump’s case for his BS meeting about Soleimani. I was hoping that more would get behind them.

    https://www.deseret.com/indepth/2020/2/13/21136722/utah-sen-mike-lee-iran-trump-war-powers

    Mr. Lee has been a pleasant surprise as of late.
     
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  12. Wes Mantooth

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    Was thinking of buying a MAGA hat actually.

    For Curb Your Enthusiasm purposes.

    Thoughts?
     
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  13. Beer

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    All in on Bernie. He is the only candidate I think is a good human being. Plus he'll only have time to focus on fixing 1 real issue, hopefully health or student loans. Don't fret you whiny bitches he won't be able to turn the US into socialists, not that that would even be his intent to begin with.
     
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  14. Gameface

    Gameface I actually REALLY like Gobert! Contributor 2018 Award Winner

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    Right now my preferences are:

    1 -- Klobuchar / Buttigieg (tie)
    3 -- Warren
    4 -- Sanders
    Big Gap
    10 -- Bloomberg / Biden (tie)
     
  15. Gameface

    Gameface I actually REALLY like Gobert! Contributor 2018 Award Winner

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    Every democrat in the field will represent the U.S. well internationally. But my rankings for that are pretty similar to my rankings above other than I'd swap Bloomberg and Sanders positions as well as Buttigieg and Warren.
     
  16. fishonjazz

    fishonjazz Well-Known Member Contributor 2019 Award Winner 2018 Award Winner

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    Agreed. Especially about the good human being part.

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  17. The Thriller

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    bernie is a good person and a far better candidate than trump.

    However, Im curious as to how anyone thinks a single bernie plan will be passed by a Mitch McConnell controlled senate? Even if Dems retake the senate, they won’t have close to the 2/3rds necessary to pass anything. If/When Trump loses, Republicans will return to being the fiscal hawks/obstructionists/Monday morning quarterbacks that they were for most of Obama’s presidency.

    and the American public is so utterly brain dead that they’ll blame Democrats for the deadlocked government and they'll smother Democrats in the 2022 midterms. By Jan 2023, Democrats will probably have lost the Senate and House majorities and Bernie will be a lame duck president.
     
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  18. fishonjazz

    fishonjazz Well-Known Member Contributor 2019 Award Winner 2018 Award Winner

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    I think its possible that Bernie has plans that you and I have never even heard of. He could also think of new plans after being elected that could get passed.
    Cross that bridge when we get there. Step one: Get a good man/woman in the position to run things.
     
  19. Zombie

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    He'll face the same resistance any other Democratic president will to passing any progressive legislation under a McConnell led senate.

    He can still do a lot of good in moving the issue forward and using the bully pulpit to continue to make his case to the American people.
     
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  20. The Thriller

    The Thriller Well-Known Member

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    Trump and the media are going to have a field day with stuff like this...



    they’re going to make her emails, Obama’s flexibility, and Biden’s son of a bitch, look like a walk in the park.
     

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