2020 Presidential election

[DasJazz]

My two cents is that it will likely come down to Sanders, Warren, and Harris.

Warren would be my pick of the three, but each of them would have a good chance of beating the racist ***** grabber.

I could see Biden just for his ties to Obama, who refuses to endorse him by the way, or Harris being a former prosecutor, but Warren is a nut job.

In the end, my theory is that Trump still wins reelection and dems best bet is to retool for 2024.

 

[Heathme]

Looks like the field is narrowing... So many great choices. /sarc

RUNNING ON EMPTY: Beto, Booker, Gillibrand Quickly Running Out of Campaign Cash

https://hannity.com/media-room/runn...librand-quickly-running-out-of-campaign-cash/

 

[Stoked]

Looks like the field is narrowing... So many great choices. /sarc

RUNNING ON EMPTY: Beto, Booker, Gillibrand Quickly Running Out of Campaign Cash

https://hannity.com/media-room/runn...librand-quickly-running-out-of-campaign-cash/

Sarcasm aside, I think we see the field narrow down to 6 here pretty quickly.

Sanders, Biden, Harris, Warren, Castro and Buttegeig will go the distance.

 

[Heathme]

Trouble In BERNIELAND: Staffers Fleeing Sanders’ Campaign Over ‘Poverty Wages’

https://hannity.com/media-room/trou...-fleeing-sanders-campaign-over-poverty-wages/

I bet some heads will explode with these Hannity.com sources.........

 

[Stoked]

Trouble In BERNIELAND: Staffers Fleeing Sanders’ Campaign Over ‘Poverty Wages’

https://hannity.com/media-room/trou...-fleeing-sanders-campaign-over-poverty-wages/

Trouble in Trumpville!! Cabinet members bail in record numbers.



That game is easy and silly.

 

[Zombie]

I’m not so sure. It depends on how far left they go. There are a lot of voters up for grabs. You can see that right here on this board myself, @colton, @Gameface and @fishonjazz all come to mind. We won’t vote for trump. But I know for me I don’t want to go hard left.

It’ll be interesting to see what messages and tones are used. So far it seems to be the leaders are mostly pushing further left.

I'm not as sure about that. Hillary ran on a pretty moderate platform and wasn't able to get it done. I don't know what qualifies as "hard left" these days, but I think the best strategy is to go after the Obama voters who sat the last election out.

 

[Zombie]

Sarcasm aside, I think we see the field narrow down to 6 here pretty quickly.

Sanders, Biden, Harris, Warren, Castro and Buttegeig will go the distance.

Those are my picks as well. Maybe with Booker taking Buttigieg's or Castro's place.

 

[JazzMan4Life]

I see a lot of anti-Trump sentiment on here.

Rightfully so.

Who is going to run against him in 2020 and who actually has a legit chance of beating him?

Biden, Warren, and Harris seem to be the front-runners, but I don't think any of them have a legit chance.

What are their views and policies like?

Likely Democratic party lines with a dash of new-age socialism

I’m interested in hearing these responses. My vote is still up in the air.

I hope so.

 

[Stoked]

I'm not as sure about that. Hillary ran on a pretty moderate platform and wasn't able to get it done. I don't know what qualifies as "hard left" these days, but I think the best strategy is to go after the Obama voters who sat the last election out.

Can we stop pretending Hillary Clinton was just another candidate? She was immensely disliked. She had huge negative numbers. She carried decades of dislike from the right. The Ds couldn’t have picked a more limited candidate if they tried. Fair or not it’s the truth.

Harris has the inside track on missing Obama voters I think. Warren a good shot as well.

 

[Zombie]

Can we stop pretending Hillary Clinton was just another candidate? She was immensely disliked. She had huge negative numbers. She carried decades of dislike from the right. The Ds couldn’t have picked a more limited candidate if they tried. Fair or not it’s the truth.

Harris has the inside track on missing Obama voters I think. Warren a good shot as well.

Yeah, no, I completely agree. She was not an inspiring at all. I think Warren and Sanders probably have the best chance of getting those voters who aren't going to turn out for a run of the mill establishment candidate. They both have a clear vision for America that is firmly planted in what's best for working and middle class Americans.

 

[Gameface]

I could see Biden just for his ties to Obama, who refuses to endorse him by the way, or Harris being a former prosecutor, but Warren is a nut job.

In the end, my theory is that Trump still wins reelection and dems best bet is to retool for 2024.

Warren is extremely intelligent and is a policy wonk. I know that turns some people off who hate trying to understand complicated things, but she's far from a nut job.

As of right now she's my #1.

 

[RandyForRubio]

I'm still hoping for Marianne Williamson.

 

[The Thriller]

Doesn’t the “socialism” of Warren and Sanders turn off suburban midwestern moderates?

Things like Medicare for all/eliminating private insurance, gun regulation, free college, and treating immigrants as human beings, makes it really easy for Trump to paint Democrats as extremists. Which might not matter if the presidential election was based on the popular vote. Truly, I do think that the majority of the DNC’s platform, even some of the more “extremist” positions, is overall more popular than whatever trump is serving. Unfortunately, Democrats have to win some key midwestern states or some key southern states to win the electoral college. And to me, those key midwestern and southern states make for fertile ground for trump to label Democrats as socialist, immigrant loving, gun regulating extremists.

While I really like Warren, I think Biden and Harris might give the Democrats their best shot to win.

I think Warren can peel off sanders voters but I don’t think sanders can peel off Warren voters. If she can swing back towards the middle at some point to get some Biden and Harris voters, she’ll be in good shape.

It’s too bad that we’re having this “Heart and Soul” Ofer the DNC debate now. In a better world, I really do think it’s time for the Democrats to swing left and bring our politics into the 21st century.

Most of our allies in Western Europe have universal health care and student subsidies, why can’t we?

However, right now is a terrible time to have this debate as our #1 priority should Be building a coalition to take out trump. Then debate how liberal we should go in 2024.

 

[The Thriller]

Warren is extremely intelligent and is a policy wonk. I know that turns some people off who hate trying to understand complicated things, but she's far from a nut job.

As of right now she's my #1.

Which is why I think she’s going to struggle in key midwestern (rust) states. I like Warren, she’s damn smart. I think she’s the best policy person out there. Which is why she’s hella not electable in the midwest and south.

Trump is going to kill it there. He’ll get every non-college educated white person to vote for him. and he’ll scare the rest that Warren has socialist plans that will take away their guns, make everyone get abortions, give up their health care, and share bedrooms with MS13.

 

[Gameface]

Doesn’t the “socialism” of Warren and Sanders turn off suburban midwestern moderates?

Things like Medicare for all/eliminating private insurance, gun regulation, free college, and treating immigrants as human beings, makes it really easy for Trump to paint Democrats as extremists. Which might not matter if the presidential election was based on the popular vote. Truly, I do think that the majority of the DNC’s platform, even some of the more “extremist” positions, is overall more popular than whatever trump is serving. Unfortunately, Democrats have to win some key midwestern states or some key southern states to win the electoral college. And to me, those key midwestern and southern states make for fertile ground for trump to label Democrats as socialist, immigrant loving, gun regulating extremists.

While I really like Warren, I think Biden and Harris might give the Democrats their best shot to win.

I think Warren can peel off sanders voters but I don’t think sanders can peel off Warren voters. If she can swing back towards the middle at some point to get some Biden and Harris voters, she’ll be in good shape.

It’s too bad that we’re having this “Heart and Soul” Ofer the DNC debate now. In a better world, I really do think it’s time for the Democrats to swing left and bring our politics into the 21st century.

Most of our allies in Western Europe have universal health care and student subsidies, why can’t we?

However, right now is a terrible time to have this debate as our #1 priority should Be building a coalition to take out trump. Then debate how liberal we should go in 2024.

Maybe I'm not up to speed, I don't see Warren as all that extreme at all.

 

[Gameface]

Which is why I think she’s going to struggle in key midwestern (rust) states. I like Warren, she’s damn smart. I think she’s the best policy person out there. Which is why she’s hella not electable in the midwest and south.

Trump is going to kill it there. He’ll get every non-college educated white person to vote for him. and he’ll scare the rest that Warren has socialist plans that will take away their guns, make everyone get abortions, give up their health care, and share bedrooms with MS13.

Well, she wasn't my first choice until I saw her talk a few times. I think she's gonna grow on people.

She has the ability to explain, in extraordinary detail, what her plans are, why they are and how she plans to make it happen.

There isn't a candidate in the field more capable of articulating their agenda.

 

[Zombie]

Trump is going to kill it there. He’ll get every non-college educated white person to vote for him. and he’ll scare the rest that Warren has socialist plans that will take away their guns, make everyone get abortions, give up their health care, and share bedrooms with MS13.

I think he'll enjoy the same level of success against her as any other candidate in this endeavor.

I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Trump talks about AOC and the rest of the "squad" as much as the eventual nominee regardless who they are. He will try to make it referendum on the far left.

 

[The Thriller]

Well, she wasn't my first choice until I saw her talk a few times. I think she's gonna grow on people.

She has the ability to explain, in extraordinary detail, what her plans are, why they are and how she plans to make it happen.

There isn't a candidate in the field more capable of articulating their agenda.

I’m glad I’m not alone on this.

I really like Warren. I didn’t originally. But I love the way shes always thinking outside of the box. Even on things I disagree with her on. Because even if i don’t like her idea, I can see why she’s going with it. She’s way smart, level headed, and is able to communicate well... which is the opposite of trump. Trump does so much **** and does such a terrible job of explaining things, that even if another 9/11 happened, I’m unsure if I could get behind whatever **** he asked us to do in response.

So I really hope that if Warren is the nominee, people give her a chance.

What’s funny, is that a lot of those midwestern people would actually benefit the most from Warren. Higher taxes in the rich, job retraining, green tech, and public health care options would benefit rust belt states ravaged by globalization and opioid addiction the most.

 

[The Thriller]

I think he'll enjoy the same level of success against her as any other candidate in this endeavor.

I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Trump talks about AOC and the rest of the "squad" as much as the eventual nominee regardless who they are. He will try to make it referendum on the far left.

You don’t think that trump will have a harder time painting Harris or Biden as a socialist? Or as another member of “the squad?” Because that’s the argument against Warren and sanders. And that’s the argument for Harris and Biden. especially uncle joe Biden, who clearly isn’t all about twitter, free education, health care, etc.

Right?

Just a side note, wouldn’t it actually benefit democrats for the election if the trump administration were to win its lawsuit against the ACA? If the ACA is struck down between now and the election, democrats no longer would need to argue about whether to build on the ACA or going with some version of Medicare.

Ironically, trump winning his suit against the ACA might resolve this health care dispute within the Democratic Party and cost him the election.

What do you think?

 

[The Thriller]

Maybe I'm not up to speed, I don't see Warren as all that extreme at all.

She’s not. That’s the thing, she’s not. I can see sanders being a tad on the extremist side. And being so grumpy and rigid that he’s unable to grease the wheels in congress to get anything passed.

But Warren isn’t as extreme. And she seems much more capable to build bridges and play politics to get legislative wins.

Honestly GF, maybe your experience around the world has you more “liberal” than many of our peers. What I’m saying, is that to many Americans, the concept of universal health care is foreign to them. When in reality, most industrialized countries resolved that issue decades ago. Their citizens don’t have to deal with the issue of either paying for chemo or going bankrupt. So I think a lot of what Warren says is pretty damn mainstream everywhere else. But might be seen as a little extreme in parts of this country where health care is a right for the handful of well employed, coal is part of the food pyramid, and the only thing Latin in town are the Coronas sold at the gas station.