2020 Presidential election

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  1. fishonjazz

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  2. Alfalfa

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  3. gandalfe

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    That disregards that this is Politifact, which is unaffiliated with Politico.

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  4. Red

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    The link I left in the above comment is the best in depth description I have come across describing that part of Trump's constituency that attends his rallies. I wanted to emphasize it is not a "bash Trump supporters" hatchet job. It describes rally attendees honestly, in their own words. I see them as "victims" of a personality cult, certainly not the way they see themselves. Fellow Americans seriously misguided, but fellow Americans nonetheless.

    Another part of the Trump base, which will be there for him in 2020, barring events none of us can predict, are American evangelicals, Christian nationalists. I did not know it at the time, but a month before the midterms, a film opened in 1000 theaters nationwide. Titled "The Trump Prophesy", it described the belief that Trump represents the fulfillment of biblical prophesy:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/31/opinion/trump-evangelicals-cyrus-king.html



    Also recently, leading evangelical Jerry Falwell Jr. proclaimed that sympathy for the poor is something his god intended for the next world, not this one: The man whose institutional mission includes being “a voice for the voiceless” then meditated on the uselessness of the poor — “A poor person never gave anyone a job. A poor person never gave anybody charity, not of any real volume. It’s just common sense to me.” He then suggested that it might be immoral for Christians not to support Trump.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/01/04/evangelicals-infallible-new-faith-gospel-trump/

    I have little to no patience for Christian nationalism, that strain of Christianity that believes god is on America's side, and always has been. From the 19th century belief in America's god ordained manifest destiny to stretch "from sea to shining sea" to Falwell's belief that Trump's enemies are god's enemies, I think it's sick. But there they are, another integral part of Trump's portion of our electorate.

    Trump, a president for some Americans, and the leader of a personality cult, backed by people who claim to be Christian, but who are nationalists more then anything else.....
     
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  5. dalamon

    dalamon Well-Known Member 2018 Prediction Contest Winner

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    Bernie needs to run, and he'll win if he does.
     
  6. Joe Bagadonuts

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    He'll be 79, and he looks 179.
     
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  7. Alfalfa

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    Ya, it's over for Bernie.
     
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  8. fishonjazz

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    Ya I love Bernie but he is too old I think

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  9. Stoked

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    Tulsi Gabbard announces she is running for President.
     
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  11. The Thriller

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    And the Russians couldn’t be any happier. She’s an isolationist, pro life, nationalist, and anti-establishment from the left. Russian disinformation campaigns will look to boost her in attempts to split leftist voters. She won’t win the nomination, but much like Sanders or Stein she potentially could draw a certain type of voter from the left and hurt the party’s nominee in the general.

    Whether or not she actually has much of an impact on anything remains to be seen. But for sure the Russians love this and will try to use her.
     
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  12. gandalfe

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    I'm sensing major stupidity from the Democratic party. I think the D vote will be split, possibly three ways, and many Ds will take their ball and go home and let Trump get re-elected.
     
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  14. Wes Mantooth

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    Too close to Buttplug.
     
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  15. RJF

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    As if you would really object to that...
     
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  16. Red

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    The Democrats are afraid Howard Schultz running as an independent would hand the election to Trump, and Schultz is afraid the Democrats nominating a progressive would hand the election to Trump. (And, right now, Joe Biden would become the Democratic frontrunner if he announced, despite his age).

    https://www.npr.org/2019/01/29/6895...dependent-bid-for-president-is-a-radical-idea

    "If there is a choice between President Trump and a progressive, liberal-minded person on the Democratic side, it would kill me to see President Trump be re-elected," Schultz, a "lifelong Democrat," said in his interview on NPR. "And I believe that's what would take place."
     
  17. DutchJazzer

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    who cares about this. this thread is too early!

    first we have to get a ruth abder ginsburg replacement. it will be EPIC!

    the butthurt and reee-ing would be amazing
     
  18. The Thriller

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    Relax.

    Everyone knew that there would be a big pool of Dems in the primary.

    I think people are overreacting to all of this. Honestly, just by this April people like Howard Shultz will be long forgotten. I think the country has had enough already of a clueless rich blowhard with zero political experience.

    By the time primary season actually begins, I think there will be a wide variety of democratic candidates. The debates will be interesting. I honestly don’t fear Dems getting butthurt like last time and staying home for the General. 2016 was such an anomaly

    I think it’s good to have debates about good and big liberal ideas finally. For years democrats acted like republican lite. It’s about time we talk about raising marginal taxes, single payer systems, and Green job proposals.
     
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  19. Gameface

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    You're pointing out exactly what I think might cause the problem. You think the Ds are going to fully embrace "good and big liberal ideas" but there is a real chance they will not, and you'll get Republican lite. If that's what the Democratic establishment gives you there may be some who decide it doesn't matter as much as they thought it did.
     
  20. The Thriller

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    I disagree. Republican lite is fine and i think most will vote for that over third party, trump, or sitting at home.

    You’re missing the point I made in the previous post. What I, and many other Dems I’ve spoke to like is that the party has a wide range of political beliefs. That includes more conservative and establishment ideas and candidates and more progressive ideas and candidates. Views and ideas that 50 years ago were more mainstream but since Clinton have been shunned. I personally love AOC and her 70 percent marginal tax rate rhetoric is exactly the type of discussion we need to have. It’s substantive.

    Unlike the republican debates where all tax rates are demonized and they’re comparing the sizes of each other’s hands.
     
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