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All of this ignores that the FBI was looking into the Trump campaign well before they had the Dossier completely independently of FusionGPS. And you are incorrect that they were hired by Clinton in 2015, in fact they were hired by the Washington Free Beacon, a conservative organization which was doing oppo research into all the Republican candidates. The DNC and Hillary brought them on in 2016 to continue the work they had already been doing.

You're right that Fusion GPS was first hired through Washington Free Beacon, and paid for by a large donor for Republican Marco Rubio. That same research by Fusion GPS was then taken over by the DNC and Hillary's campaign in the spring of 2016, with invoices paid through their law firm. However, according to internal reports at the FBI that were just unsealed, the FBI "looking into the Trump campaign" was primarily Bill Ohr's wife Nellie Ohr, who also worked for Fusion GPS, funneling her research to the Justice Department through Bill. At the time, Bill Ohr was an Associate Deputy Attorney General under Obama.

The point is, the entire FBI investigation into Trump-Russia collusion was tainted by Fusion GPS's political research for the Democrats, and the FBI under James Comey knew it plainly. The main failure was on the part of the FBI to take unsubstantiated and politically-funded stories about Trump/Russia conspiracy and turn it into a two-year special counsel investigation that yielded nada. It was all political theater.

When the full report from John Durham comes out, it will show that senior Dems, Fusion GPS and a faction within the FBI were working together to knowingly paint a false narrative in an effort to discredit a sitting president. That's pretty ugly.

Nancy Pelosi has known this all along, and that's why she's refused to go along with an impeachment inquiry. She knows it's going to backfire on the Democrats, even if the whole thing can be blamed on corruption at the FBI.
 
You're right that Fusion GPS was first hired through Washington Free Beacon, and paid for by a large donor for Republican Marco Rubio. That same research by Fusion GPS was then taken over by the DNC and Hillary's campaign in the spring of 2016, with invoices paid through their law firm. However, according to internal reports at the FBI that were just unsealed, the FBI "looking into the Trump campaign" was primarily Bill Ohr's wife Nellie Ohr, who also worked for Fusion GPS, funneling her research to the Justice Department through Bill. At the time, Bill Ohr was an Associate Deputy Attorney General under Obama.

The point is, the entire FBI investigation into Trump-Russia collusion was tainted by Fusion GPS's political research for the Democrats, and the FBI under James Comey knew it plainly. The main failure was on the part of the FBI to take unsubstantiated and politically-funded stories about Trump/Russia conspiracy and turn it into a two-year special counsel investigation that yielded nada. It was all political theater.

When the full report from John Durham comes out, it will show that senior Dems, Fusion GPS and a faction within the FBI were working together to knowingly paint a false narrative in an effort to discredit a sitting president. That's pretty ugly.

Nancy Pelosi has known this all along, and that's why she's refused to go along with an impeachment inquiry. She knows it's going to backfire on the Democrats, even if the whole thing can be blamed on corruption at the FBI.
What's funny about this is that you are using connections between people involved to support allegations of a vast conspiracy without any evidence that conspiracy actually existed. Kind of exactly what you are accusing of others of.

Even if we are to believe your claim that there was this conspiracy among Democrats to construct this narrative, it doesn't invalidate the very real evidence that supports the narrative that Trump was willing to accept help from the Russian government during the election.
 
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Are people still arguing over the validity of the Russia investigation? At some point we gotta move on guys. No, there’s no deep state. Sheesh.
 
What's funny about this is that you are using connections between people involved to support allegations of a vast conspiracy without any evidence that conspiracy actually existed. Kind of exactly what you are accusing of others of.

Even if we are to believe your claim that there was this conspiracy among Democrats to construct this narrative, it doesn't invalidate the very real evidence that supports the narrative that Trump was willing to accept help from the Russian government during the election.

It's not "my claim" numbnuts. It's the Justice Department's investigation and the news reports that have been coming out. Stay tuned and read it for yourself.
 

Of all the candidates Yang's the only serious problem solver out there - he's answering questions that the other candidates aren't even asking.

Unfortunately it's almost impossible to make headway when you start at name recognition equal to zero. Especially since every single article (including this one) refers to you as "long shot candidate"

Maybe 2024 is his year - after the **** inevitably hits the fan.
 
Oh yeah. Who doesn’t remember the pizza guy? 9-9-9 tax rates baby! Oh and this was golden:



The above video clip shows exactly why I mean the GOP’s nativism and anti-intellectualism has been a long time coming. It didn’t begin with trump nor will it end with him. The party of stupid needs to be reformed.


"nativism" and "anti-intellectualism"......hmmmm....

Lessee...... here's and intellectual mirror for you.

see anything in it that looks like you?
 
Herman Cain was probably quite an accomplished person, President-grade..... I think he had pretty good bearings. Uzbekistan is important to the US effort in Afghanistan, and it is probably on Putin's list of essential re-acquisition territories. They let us put military stuff there because it helps their chances to stay independent. But altogether, Hillary knew too damn much about almost every player in politics on the world stage. Most of them gave here money. She gave most of them some piece of the USA.

The sooner dems move on and leave Hillary and her ilk in the dust, the better.
 
So just looking at the discussion above.......

look, sitting in my cave in the desert, I just can't see why anybody thinks Hillary or Obama, or the whole bunch of guvmint minions, are just so stupid.

Trump had no chance to win.... it was all over the TV. The Russians were, in fact, betting on a Hillary win, but hey damage control is just part of every scheme. Pretty sure the Russkies wanted an in with Trump if he got elected. Since the Berlin Wall was torn apart, brick by brick, by millions of Germans from each side, it has been official reality that the Russkies are good players on the world Globalist stage. Just a few little tweaks here and there, and everything will be fine. Ukraine in NATO. Great

People like Joe Biden could fly into Ukraine and plainly tell their Prez to get a new Attorney General or whatever, whoever was investigation the company his son was involved in, and threaten them.... and make them do what he asked.

Globalism is great. Putin can have his Rosatom firm set up a dummy here in the USA, and Hillary was all smiles about letting them buy US mining claims, for a little consideration..... some millions of payola. It's all good. Aren't we getting along just fine.

The DumpTrump gambit was a coverup operation, a distraction, to prevent investigation in their own damn ****. Hillary and Obama are not even the decision makers on it, but they are closer to the pay grade than any FBI, CIA, or DOJ wonk.

It's really the cool set of world management wonks who made the decisions, and instigated the Press line and the Dem line. Just to keep Trump under fire.

Dammit. How did we let Trump win.

NOT Conspiracy. Just everyday management of planet earth.
 
Are people still arguing over the validity of the Russia investigation? At some point we gotta move on guys. No, there’s no deep state. Sheesh.

Lets not call it the deep state then. Lets call it the CIA, NSA, CFR, and partisanship inside the FBI. That would cover a good chunk of it--within U.S. borders anyway.
 
So Steele is British. The Clinton foundation payed to get dirt on Trump. How is that not collusion?

Why didn't Obama stop meddling?

What did the FBI mean when it said it had a backup plan to stop Trump?

After a 2+ year investigation and 30+ million dollars where are we? Obstruction?
 
So Steele is British. The Clinton foundation payed to get dirt on Trump. How is that not collusion?

Why didn't Obama stop meddling?

What did the FBI mean when it said it had a backup plan to stop Trump?

After a 2+ year investigation and 30+ million dollars where are we? Obstruction?

Steele was former British intel, and he had a working history as an informant for the FBI. Just so you know, the CIA, British MI5 and Israeli Mossad are joined at the hip (if not the head). They're all friends here.

It was Hillary's campaign and the DNC investigating Trump rather than the Clinton Foundation per se. They're close, but not quite the same.

I don't think Obama did much. He was ready to ride off into the sunset, imo, but who knows? He didn't like supporting Hillary, but he didn't like Trump either.

A partisan group within Obama's FBI actively opposed Trump, but who knows what their plan was, or it if would have worked. It's starting to sound like the Russia investigation had roots at the CIA (Mifsud) in March 2016, before it went to the FBI. Mifsud, who met with Papadopoulos, was CIA, according to his lawyer.

The FBI couldn't substantiate the claim that Trump or his campaign conspired with the Russians. That narrative is all but dead. Dems are pointing to Trump trying to obstruct the Mueller investigation. That's what it's come to for the Dems.
 
The sooner dems move on and leave Hillary and her ilk in the dust, the better.


90% of what I hear about HRC is from republicans. They finish with “Dems need to move on from HRC”. Oblivious to the irony.
 

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