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The funny thing about Sanders' comments about the USSR is that his visit came during the period where that country was in the middle of attempted reforms toward openness and potentially a democratic society. Within that context it makes sense why Sanders would claim he was surprised by such things. Of course things didn't quite turn out that way in the long run, but at the time there was reason for optimism as the USSR and US relations were on a path toward normalization.

FWIW that visit took place the same year Ronald Reagan said he didn't view the USSR as the Evil Empire anymore, and that that was a "different time, a different era."

Just a couple things to think about when trying to get your red scare on.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
Good luck convincing the many., many people I know who have succeeded at moving up in socio-economic class that it can't be done. At the extreme end I know several people who grew up with nothing who now have hundreds of millions. One thing that none of them are likely to spend their energy studying are articles like the one you cite suggesting that what they are doing cannot be done. Instead these people are far more likely to study articles and books that teach them how to become successful, or even apprenticing with other successful people.

And for every article you can find suggesting that upward mobility is supposedly not possible, I can find one that proves that it is.

https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/real-1-percent
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Go ahead and point out where Gandalf said it was impossible.
 
idestroyedthetoilet said:
The most bizarre thing about you Bernie socialists is how firmly you believe he will change your life like he's Ed McMahon. Instead of trying to better yourself you hope Bernie will do it for you?

Here's the simple perspective about Bernie's property confiscation tax of 1% per year and redistribution scheme. That amounts to what, $500 per US citizen? Didn't Trump just give you all that much directly into your bi-monthly paycheck with his TCJA? And how awesome is your life now because of that? Thanks Trump [insert frowny face]. Our resident whiner complains that all he sees from it is inflation everywhere. Yet y'all think Bernie's $500 is somehow going to be different and life changing, because he sprinkles faerie dust?

There will always be the griping middle class. Go work hard and do something about it before the Bernie socialists take control, raise all our already extreme taxes, and make it nearly impossible to come up without being born into wealth.
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Bernie's tax/M4A plan would save me a couple thousand a year and I'd actually go see a doctor for health issues I've ignored in the past because I still had a three thousand deductible to meet. I'd also feel secure in going back to school or taking a risk in new employment opportunities without having to worry about losing the health care I have.

So yeah, obviously Bernie isn't going to be able to do this on his own, but if this movement he is leading succeeds my life will indeed change.
 
The Thriller said:
good grief. Gearing your campaign towards winning an area that already votes blue while neglecting purple and light red areas is why we lost the House in 2010 and lost the presidential election in 2016. We won the midterms by expanding the map.

We won’t win in 2020 if we cannot win over moderates and conservatives.
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Nobody said anything about gearing a campaign towards anything. You don't stop communicating with people because you've 'won them over'. It's why nobody votes where I grew up, they already know how the results will go. Only focusing on winning an election over the issues is turning whole swathes of the population off of participating in the political process at all.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
Good luck convincing the many., many people I know who have succeeded at moving up in socio-economic class that it can't be done. At the extreme end I know several people who grew up with nothing who now have hundreds of millions. One thing that none of them are likely to spend their energy studying are articles like the one you cite suggesting that what they are doing cannot be done. Instead these people are far more likely to study articles and books that teach them how to become successful, or even apprenticing with other successful people.

And for every article you can find suggesting that upward mobility is supposedly not possible, I can find one that proves that it is.

https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/real-1-percent
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The Cato Institute is really not a reputable source. And, as was mentioned, I never said it was impossible. The statistically few cases where it happens are held out as shining beacons to convince us all that it's our fault that we're not rich. You know, like you're doing.
 
Zombie said:
Bernie's tax/M4A plan would save me a couple thousand a year and I'd actually go see a doctor for health issues I've ignored in the past because I still had a three thousand deductible to meet. I'd also feel secure in going back to school or taking a risk in new employment opportunities without having to worry about losing the health care I have.

So yeah, obviously Bernie isn't going to be able to do this on his own, but if this movement he is leading succeeds my life will indeed change.
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That's a good reason to be for it, IMO.
 
Eminence said:
Nobody said anything about gearing a campaign towards anything. You don't stop communicating with people because you've 'won them over'. It's why nobody votes where I grew up, they already know how the results will go. Only focusing on winning an election over the issues is turning whole swathes of the population off of participating in the political process at all.
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But who said we should stop communicating with people we’ve already won over?

What I said was that we had already won the county that Flint is in and still lost Michigan in 2016. In order to win Michigan in 2020, we need to reach out and win over counties that are light red and voted for Trump in 2016. That’s not neglecting Flint or disrespecting those residents in any way. It’s called, “expanding your base.” It’s what we did in 2018 to retake the House.

I really don’t understand why this is so hard for some of you to understand. We lost in 2016. The popular vote doesn’t matter. Winning the Electoral College does. Unless we win over people in swing states who didn’t vote in 2016, voted 3rd Party, or voted for Trump, we will lose again.

This isn’t rocket science guys.
 
Zombie said:
Good grief. Can you just think for one second in terms of fighting for a cause you believe in and not one that is only designed to cater to conservatives so you can win an election?

You sound like a campaign strategist on a cable news show, and no, that's not a compliment.
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I’d rather nominate a moderate Democrat who can win swing states and not be an albatross around moderate House Democrats necks, than lose to Trump and giving the House away by nominating the purist ideologue possible.

And yes, even though you didn’t mean it as a compliment, I will happily accept sounding like a campaign strategist as one. I want to win in 2020. I’m tired of Trump and Moscow Mitch
 
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