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Ron Mexico said:
Honestly I don't know if I'll even to vote from overseas. But if I do and it's Trump and Biden. I think I'll vote 3rd party.

Long term getting a viable 3rd or more party is better for America than who is president for 4 years. Trump sucks and is easily the worst president of my life but America will be fine.

Let's stop being forced into choosing between 2 people that most of us don't like. We can do better than that. Stop letting the parties convince you it's only 2 options. A third option didn't need to win to make a big difference.
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You'll be voting for Trump then.
 
The Thriller said:
Maybe they shouldn’t have talked for weeks about how electable Bernie was and how he was enlarging the tent? I’m sorry that their arguments were wrong. But it’s better for bernie to get his *** kicked now than to have his *** kicked by trump later.
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Ok but I assume you want Trump to lose. So you would want Bernie fans to vote for Biden. So being an ******* about Bernie might not help eliminate trump ya see.

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fishonjazz said:
Ok but I assume you want Trump to lose. So you would want Bernie fans to vote for Biden. So being an ******* about Bernie might not help eliminate trump ya see.

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LOL. they’re not going to fight to defeat trump because of something I say? Then they’re probably not committed to beating trump.
 
The Thriller said:
LOL. they’re not going to fight to defeat trump because of something I say? Then they’re probably not committed to beating trump.
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You aren't the only one acting this way. And ya, people are stupid. I would still even want the stupid people to vote against Trump cause I want Trump to lose.
Maybe you just aren't that committed to beating trump though.

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The Thriller said:
our system of government isn’t set up to support multiple parties like a parliamentary system. We’ll never have a viable 3rd party option until significant changes are made to the constitution.

That’s why even by our second and third president, we were already limited to two main parties.
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rigged by the parties not the constitution
 
silesian said:
rigged by the parties not the constitution
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no. The constitution actually encourages parties. Institutions like the Electoral College and House/Senate encourage the two party system. The Electoral College with its delegates and winner take call stakes force voters into voting for one of the two major parties. It states would base the delegates distributed equally to how voters voted, then you’d see more 3rd party candidates. Since the EC decides the president, this reinforces the need to elect someone who is part of one of the two political parties.

Want to break the two party system? Get rid of the EC. Go straight up with the popular vote and determine the makeup of at least one of the chambers of Congress by proportional voting. If you state votes something like 50 percent D 30 percent R and 20 percent 3rd, then distribute the representatives to reflect that. Thus, encouraging 3rd party candidates.

in utah right now, 49 percent of the population could literally vote D and they’d maybe capture 1/4 representatives and 0 senate seats. Thus discouraging even Democrats from running let alone 3rd party candidates.
 
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Ron Mexico said:
Then I wouldn't vote for them and likely no one else would. We choose not to vote for bad 3rd parties candidates and force ourselves to vote for bad main party candidates.
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Not me usually. Trump changes things though.

Normally if I don't like anybody then I don't vote for anybody.

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