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Handlogten's Heros said:
I think Danny tried but was late to the party. Not keeping score but there were a lot of anti-tankers... so not sure where you were on this. This is the time of year where folks might realize the "value" in losing a few extra games. The cost to trade up to 5 or 6 is a lot. So even if we had settled for less in trades earlier it yields an extra first or potentially much more if you can jump into the top 4.

During the season many **** on the tankers... well now the bill is due and some guys will be out of our range or we will have to pay a premium to move up.
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If we had executed the tank perfectly we would be drafting at 5 and this last year would have been miserable and few here would have watched the games this season. It also would have required trading Lauri for scraps. I'm OK with having had a fun season, a near all NBA player in the All Star Game, and drafting only four spots back with the assets to move up if we need to.
 
It also amuses me that "experts" are marking some sort of clear distinction between the Thompson Twins. They have no idea who will be better as there isn't enough public information, especially recent information to make that determination.

It kind of feels like we are dealing with NFTs instead of NBA players.
 
framer said:
If we had executed the tank perfectly we would be drafting at 5 and this last year would have been miserable and few here would have watched the games this season. It also would have required trading Lauri for scraps. I'm OK with having had a fun season, a near all NBA player in the All Star Game, and drafting only four spots back with the assets to move up if we need to.
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Lots of assumptions that just aren’t true. Had we lost 4 more games and assumed Portlands spot then we are drafting 3rd. Just a couple more losses and we are drafting 6th. None of that would require trading Lauri or having a miserable season. To drop into the bottoms 4 sure… but there were many super close wins that could have flipped and we’d be in a much better spot.

It still may work out and be fine of course but the difference between us and Portland, Orlando, Indiana and Washington isn’t huge… to trade into those spots it costs at least one future first imo… to get top 3 way more.
 
framer said:
It also amuses me that "experts" are marking some sort of clear distinction between the Thompson Twins. They have no idea who will be better as there isn't enough public information, especially recent information to make that determination.

It kind of feels like we are dealing with NFTs instead of NBA players.
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OTE is great for their draft stock because you can imagine them becoming any player you want. You can’t really prove that they will be that player, but also can’t prove that they won’t be that player. If I was an elite recruit, I would go this route to solidify my status. I bet guys like GG and Dillon Mitchell would have really benefitted from OTE draft stock wise. Mystery is almost always good for draft stock.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Lots of assumptions that just aren’t true. Had we lost 4 more games and assumed Portlands spot then we are drafting 3rd. Just a couple more losses and we are drafting 6th. None of that would require trading Lauri or having a miserable season. To drop into the bottoms 4 sure… but there were many super close wins that could have flipped and we’d be in a much better spot.

It still may work out and be fine of course but the difference between us and Portland, Orlando, Indiana and Washington isn’t huge… to trade into those spots it costs at least one future first imo… to get top 3 way more.
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Nope, you don't get the benefit if hindsight. You advocated tanking hard, looking for the bast possible chance at Wemby. That path ended up having the worst possible outcome.

And losing close games on purpose is pretty sleazy. How is that much different than point shaving?
 
framer said:
Nope, you don't get the benefit if hindsight. You advocated tanking hard, looking for the bast possible chance at Wemby. That path ended up having the worst possible outcome.

And losing close games on purpose is pretty sleazy. How is that much different than point shaving?
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Sorry but its not hindsight... I said all along we should be losing more. And it wasn't just for Wemby... people would then argue about 6-7 not being any different than 10-14 and draft history would say they are the same... yada yada.

Its this assumption that you must be the worst team in the league to tank properly... or you didn't even tank. I said all along you hope to get top 4 but if not you want to be as high as possible as there is actual measurable value on draft night. Now we are looking at Ausar/Cam/Amen like "man I wish those guys would slip" and in reality not only are those guys most likely gone... the guys behind them in Taylor and Jarace are likely gone too.

You don't have to lose close games on purpose lol... again all year I've had the same message... it is not on the coach to tank... its on the front office. If they had simply done a version of the Lakers deal that included Bogey instead of doing the KO deal then we lose several more games. KO hit a couple game winners and had some humongous performances. If we could trade KO and 9 for #6 all of us would do it in a second. That was the mistake we made.
 
Jingled said:
There is no way we move up to 3rd without giving up Lauri, but I wish we could find a way to move up to 4th or 5th.


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of course you'd rather have the 4th or 5th pick over the 9th, simply due to having more options, but honestly, i'm not convinced you get a better player at 4 or 5 than 9. top 3 is the prize and i'd give up a lot (though not Lauri and i think you're right that's what it would take) to get that, but i wouldn't give up much to go to 4 or 5.
 
KqWIN said:
OTE is great for their draft stock because you can imagine them becoming any player you want. You can’t really prove that they will be that player, but also can’t prove that they won’t be that player. If I was an elite recruit, I would go this route to solidify my status. I bet guys like GG and Dillon Mitchell would have really benefitted from OTE draft stock wise. Mystery is almost always good for draft stock.
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well said. i'd do the same. if i were a HS kid being discussed as a top 6 or 7 pick, no chance i'd go to college. i'd go OTE, just sit out entirely (like Sharpe and Exum) or go G league. you go OTE or don't play at all, you have nothing to lose (unless you suck in the OTE which would be hard to do if you are any good). G league > college IMO simply because it's a more open game, with more spacing and faster pace and even if you struggle you have the excuse that you're only 18 playing against grown men. college, oth, will expose you due to the lack of spacing, lack of scoring overall, slower pace and general sloppiness of play.
 
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