2024-25 Trade Rumors Thread

[SoberasHotRod]

From Andy Larsen's Triple Team about Colin getting benched:

“Yeah, we’re trying to make the two groups function a little bit better, and we can do that without impacting minutes too much, impacting opportunity too much. You know, I believe in Collin. Collin knows that this has nothing to do with his play. It’s about what makes the two groups function the best. I think early in the game, the first group showed some pretty decent cohesion offensively. I think I have some work to do to help Collin with that second group, if it’s something we continue to do,” Hardy said.

 

[KqWIN]

They benched him because he makes the most mental mistakes on the team on both ends.

Idc why they don’t like him or even if they’re right or wrong. They have made up their mind on him. If they don’t believe in him, he should be traded. It’s no different from the other vets that had no future here.

 

[KqWIN]

Sexton started off horribly last season, but turned around. I'm sure he's capable of doing the same thing. But for me, it's not really about whether Hardy is right or wrong about benching him and not believing in him. It's pretty obvious he feels that way, so now we have to manage that situation. Let me ask a few questions related to how we're handling Sexton:

Are we developing him?
Is he increasing his trade value?
Will we sign him to a longer deal?
Is he helping the tank?

For me, the answer to all those questions is "NO". And in that case, he should have already been traded. Whether you think he's a KIA or Ferrari, he's just deteriorating on this team.

 

[Agent#00]

From Andy Larsen's Triple Team about Colin getting benched:

“Yeah, we’re trying to make the two groups function a little bit better, and we can do that without impacting minutes too much, impacting opportunity too much. You know, I believe in Collin. Collin knows that this has nothing to do with his play. It’s about what makes the two groups function the best. I think early in the game, the first group showed some pretty decent cohesion offensively. I think I have some work to do to help Collin with that second group, if it’s something we continue to do,” Hardy said.

Lol He will lose his starting job if he plays well with the bench unit.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Sexton started off horribly last season, but turned around. I'm sure he's capable of doing the same thing. But for me, it's not really about whether Hardy is right or wrong about benching him and not believing in him. It's pretty obvious he feels that way, so now we have to manage that situation. Let me ask a few questions related to how we're handling Sexton:

Are we developing him?
Is he increasing his trade value?
Will we sign him to a longer deal?
Is he helping the tank?

For me, the answer to all those questions is "NO". And in that case, he should have already been traded. Whether you think he's a KIA or Ferrari, he's just deteriorating on this team.

I'm sure they want to trade him.

 

[HermanG]

Sexton started off horribly last season, but turned around. I'm sure he's capable of doing the same thing. But for me, it's not really about whether Hardy is right or wrong about benching him and not believing in him. It's pretty obvious he feels that way, so now we have to manage that situation. Let me ask a few questions related to how we're handling Sexton:

Are we developing him?
Is he increasing his trade value?
Will we sign him to a longer deal?
Is he helping the tank?

For me, the answer to all those questions is "NO". And in that case, he should have already been traded. Whether you think he's a KIA or Ferrari, he's just deteriorating on this team.

Questions 2 and 3 have a logical conflict if you look at them from the perspective of FO viewing Sexton as "6th man".

If Sexton's market value goes down as a result of his role being reduced (to 6th man), then doesnt that drop his expected future salary and make it more likely that we re-sign him?

So if they view Collin as 6th man and want him long term on a deal not too rich for a 6th man, then they cant give him the keys, can they?

 

[KqWIN]

Questions 2 and 3 have a logical conflict if you look at them from the perspective of FO viewing Sexton as "6th man".

If Sexton's market value goes down as a result of his role being reduced (to 6th man), then doesnt that drop his expected future salary and make it more likely that we re-sign him?

So if they view Collin as 6th man and want him long term on a deal not too rich for a 6th man, then they cant give him the keys, can they?

It is true that more they tank him, the less his next contract will be. I just don't see the need for a 6th man right now. We cleansed pretty much every vet (besides Lauri and the negative contracts) and I like that approach. If they're just going to bench Sexton, he's like Beasley, Vando, KO, Simone ect. Non critical players who are better served on a team not tanking.

Being able to re-sign a player you already don't like much for cheaper doesn't seem like a great way to manage things. Collin has a say in this as well. He's been a good soldier, but it's a really bad situation for him as well. If I were his agent, I'd be telling him to go elsewhere. I'm not sure either party wants to continue the relationship even at a lower number.

 

[Elizah Huge]

It is true that more they tank him, the less his next contract will be. I just don't see the need for a 6th man right now. We cleansed pretty much every vet (besides Lauri and the negative contracts) and I like that approach. If they're just going to bench Sexton, he's like Beasley, Vando, KO, Simone ect. Non critical players who are better served on a team not tanking.

Being able to re-sign a player you already don't like much for cheaper doesn't seem like a great way to manage things. Collin has a say in this as well. He's been a good soldier, but it's a really bad situation for him as well. If I were his agent, I'd be telling him to go elsewhere. I'm not sure either party wants to continue the relationship even at a lower number.

This. Collin has plenty of say in where he re-signs. This was one of my thoughts that will be on the podcast tonight.

 

[KqWIN]

This. Collin has plenty of say in where he re-signs. This was one of my thoughts that will be on the podcast tonight.

Yeah, generally I don't think nuking a player's value is great if you plan on re-signing him. He will have less value, but what are the chances of the player wanting to re-sign? If the Jazz thought Sexton was a big part of their future, they probably wouldn't be nuking his value in the first place.

So Sexton is likely to expire and leave....or we trade him. His value is probably not great right now, but it will never get better.

 

[HeatCheck]

Questions 2 and 3 have a logical conflict if you look at them from the perspective of FO viewing Sexton as "6th man".

If Sexton's market value goes down as a result of his role being reduced (to 6th man), then doesnt that drop his expected future salary and make it more likely that we re-sign him?

So if they view Collin as 6th man and want him long term on a deal not too rich for a 6th man, then they cant give him the keys, can they?

It seems a bit tinfoil hat but they could try to sign extend him to a MLE type extension next summer if they keep him at 18 mins off the bench. Obviously he wants to win so not sure he'd be down with it after such a blatant tanking season. Hardy has been really hard yanking him around moreso than any other player on the roster the past few years.

They could deal him to a playoff team that is desperate for scoring (Denver? Dallas?) but those type teams don't have anything good to trade to the Jazz. Sexton's value will be non existant anyway if they keep him in a role similar to last night's game.

In general just getting a bit frustrated how they are handling their "assets." Even Kessler's value seemed to be rock bottom after the way he was managed last season. If they were truly interested in developing any of these young guys should've brought in a vet PG that isn't completely washed like Patty.

Oh well, we were all screaming for them to pick a direction. Hopefully Flagg, Ace, or Dybantsa ultimately end up playing for the Jazz.

FWIW the Blazers are in a similar situation with Simons. Very good youngish dynamic offensive player but there are apparently no FRP's floating around in a deal for these types of smaller scoring guards. At least Collin is on a more reasonable contract so I think Ainge as a better chance of moving him than Portland does with Simons.

 

[KqWIN]

It seems a bit tinfoil hat but they could try to sign extend him to a MLE type extension next summer if they keep him at 18 mins off the bench. Obviously he wants to win so not sure he'd be down with it after such a blatant tanking season. Hardy has been really hard yanking him around moreso than any other player on the roster the past few years.

They could deal him to a playoff team that is desperate for scoring (Denver? Dallas?) but those type teams don't have anything good to trade to the Jazz. Sexton's value will be non existant anyway if they keep him in a role similar to last night's game.

In general just getting a bit frustrated how they are handling their "assets." Even Kessler's value seemed to be rock bottom after the way he was managed last season. If they were truly interested in developing any of these young guys should've brought in a vet PG that isn't completely washed like Patty.

Oh well, we were all screaming for them to pick a direction. Hopefully Flagg, Ace, or Dybantsa ultimately end up playing for the Jazz.

FWIW the Blazers are in a similar situation with Simons. Very good youngish dynamic offensive player but there are apparently no FRP's floating around in a deal for these types of smaller scoring guards. At least Collin is on a more reasonable contract so I think Ainge as a better chance of moving him than Portland does with Simons.

There's so many good players on tanking teams. Looking at teams like BKN and POR.....they definitely want to tank but they have like 3-5 decent vets in their way. It's going to be hard to find destinations for all of them.

 

[HermanG]

It is true that more they tank him, the less his next contract will be. I just don't see the need for a 6th man right now. We cleansed pretty much every vet (besides Lauri and the negative contracts) and I like that approach. If they're just going to bench Sexton, he's like Beasley, Vando, KO, Simone ect. Non critical players who are better served on a team not tanking.

Being able to re-sign a player you already don't like much for cheaper doesn't seem like a great way to manage things. Collin has a say in this as well. He's been a good soldier, but it's a really bad situation for him as well. If I were his agent, I'd be telling him to go elsewhere. I'm not sure either party wants to continue the relationship even at a lower number.

They wanted to keep some vets around, that much is clear. Sexton works hard and is liked by his teammates, so maybe they felt like he was a better option to keep than those mentioned? Or maybe they didnt get serious offers?

Playing him in a key role with high volumes and bright green light only makes sense if you:
A) Want to develop him into such role or
B) Want to trade him and maximize his value
If we give him all the leeway and make him a centerpiece he may produce big numbers and become the famous "good player on a bad team".

Also my theory isnt that they dont like Sexton. It is that they do, but not at 30M+ or whatever the limit may be.