2024-25 Trade Rumors Thread

[SoberasHotRod]

What are the Jazz supposed to do with the cap space?

There are a bunch of things they could do, what do you mean? Cap Space = flexibility.

If we really think that Collins can be a piece of the future, then he is probably more valuable than whatever we can do with cap space. I'm not even close to thinking he is part of the future though, so I prefer the flexibility of having more cap space this summer.

 

[NUMBERICA]

There are a bunch of things they could do, what do you mean? Cap Space = flexibility.

If we really think that Collins can be a piece of the future, then he is probably more valuable than whatever we can do with cap space. I'm not even close to thinking he is part of the future though, so I prefer the flexibility of having more cap space this summer.

K, but you have to use 90% of the cap by opening night (to receive LT payouts which is a huge chunk of money) which has largely dried-up opportunities for renting it for future-facing assets. So then they need to spend the money in free agency: who?

We’re at a point where we should have an idea rather than blindly choose a mystery box while still being a team in Utah and still not having enough cap space to make a splash.

I will say if we’re going that route that we gotta get more cap space than what Collins’ absence would bring, so we should be as focused as getting rid of Clarkson or Sexton as well. And you should still have a plan for the space.

Conversely, you could just ride out all three of their deals then glide into ‘27 with cap space THEN, which the Jazz are probably better positioned to pitch for free agents.

 

[NUMBERICA]

K, but you have to use 90% of the cap by opening night (to receive LT payouts which is a huge chunk of money) which has largely dried-up opportunities for renting it for future-facing assets. So then they need to spend the money in free agency: who?

We’re at a point where we should have an idea rather than blindly choose a mystery box while still being a team in Utah and still not having enough cap space to make a splash.

I will say if we’re going that route that we gotta get more cap space than what Collins’ absence would bring, so we should be as focused as getting rid of Clarkson or Sexton as well. And you should still have a plan for the space.

Conversely, you could just ride out all three of their deals then glide into ‘27 with cap space THEN, which the Jazz are probably better positioned to pitch for free agents.

The alternative way at looking at dumping Collins, Sexton, and/or Clarkson is to further cut the legs off the team being good for the next two years as value unto itself.

 

[HermanG]

Sure, but we also have a stable of young players that will be better and two other rookies that might pop. They would have to get even grimier than they’ve ever been. I see the Jazz at minimum as a play-in team next year if they don’t tank at a coaching level.

Could be. However we do still have potential tank commanders here and we dont know how long the leash is for some of them.

This is Hardy's first gig so we dont really know how he will handle Keyonte if his efficiency doesnt improve. Cody is also a high pedigree pick that they wont throw away after year 1, and looks to be years away. Clarkson may still be here because he is part of furniture.. and we know if he is here then Hardy is playing him a lot.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I don't trade Collin if the offer isn't good. If we did decide to try and be good we could pivot from Key and push more stuff towards Collin. The tank is rolling pretty well. So no need to panic move Collin or Kessler. If someone comes with an offer for Collins you still do it but the contract is of a size that creates challenges for all acquirers.

Its going to take a real offer from NOP or Lakers to get Walker. I think NOP calls it a season (they likely lose the next 5-6) and Lakers go the cheap route going for Williams in Portland or some other duct tape solution.

Trade szn gonna be real boring this year is my prediction.

 

[SoberasHotRod]

K, but you have to use 90% of the cap by opening night (to receive LT payouts which is a huge chunk of money) which has largely dried-up opportunities for renting it for future-facing assets. So then they need to spend the money in free agency: who?

We’re at a point where we should have an idea rather than blindly choose a mystery box while still being a team in Utah and still not having enough cap space to make a splash.

I will say if we’re going that route that we gotta get more cap space than what Collins’ absence would bring, so we should be as focused as getting rid of Clarkson or Sexton as well. And you should still have a plan for the space.

Conversely, you could just ride out all three of their deals then glide into ‘27 with cap space THEN, which the Jazz are probably better positioned to pitch for free agents.

Good points. Ainge seems to love the mystery box though.

I'm assuming we are trying to move Clarkson as well, but I think we are pretty close to max space with our current expiring contracts + Collins + Cap increase. Maybe someone can run those numbers.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

K, but you have to use 90% of the cap by opening night (to receive LT payouts which is a huge chunk of money) which has largely dried-up opportunities for renting it for future-facing assets. So then they need to spend the money in free agency: who?

We’re at a point where we should have an idea rather than blindly choose a mystery box while still being a team in Utah and still not having enough cap space to make a splash.

I will say if we’re going that route that we gotta get more cap space than what Collins’ absence would bring, so we should be as focused as getting rid of Clarkson or Sexton as well. And you should still have a plan for the space.

Conversely, you could just ride out all three of their deals then glide into ‘27 with cap space THEN, which the Jazz are probably better positioned to pitch for free agents.

I think anything we want to do with space we can do in a sign and trade with an expiring Collins, Sexton, JC. If I can get off of either JC contract for an expiring I do it but its not a huge priority. Clarkson I would be more ready to move on from than Collins because of all the guards we have and Collins playing well. Unless the tank is in danger I wouldn't panic sell Sexton.

If Sexton was playing really well I might consider moving off of salary to get some space to use in a re-negotiate type deal for him to make it cap friendly. I just don't really know what the 2-3 year plan is from here... and honestly just don't think Ainge works that way.

 

[KqWIN]

FWIW, Windy was saying that the Lakers would only move their picks if they start rolling and could potentially be a contender and not to “save” them from play in zone. It’s contrary to what I said before but makes more sense. I don’t think a trade involving their picks is happening, neither does Windy.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

FWIW, Windy was saying that the Lakers would only move their picks if they start rolling and could potentially be a contender and not to “save” them from play in zone. It’s contrary to what I said before but makes more sense. I don’t think a trade involving their picks is happening, neither does Windy.

I could see them rationalizing one pick for Kessler (or they should) in part because he can benefit the future as well as the current team. They won't go wild though. I think they know the writing is on the wall and any playoff runs that Lebron produces will be a bonus. Kinda running out the clock the best they can not trying to really make a title push.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Good points. Ainge seems to love the mystery box though.

I'm assuming we are trying to move Clarkson as well, but I think we are pretty close to max space with our current expiring contracts + Collins + Cap increase. Maybe someone can run those numbers.

Maybe jettisoning Collins gets you to the right number you can throw at Brandon Ingram (sub-max, but also being able to say that you paid what you could).

 

[KqWIN]

I could see them rationalizing one pick for Kessler (or they should) in part because he can benefit the future as well as the current team. They won't go wild though. I think they know the writing is on the wall and any playoff runs that Lebron produces will be a bonus. Kinda running out the clock the best they can not trying to really make a title push.

I actually think a trade for Kessler is the least likely kind of trade. Most likely would be finding some kind of change in the couch and getting someone like Val. Next likely would be them doing really well early and then pushing chips into the center of the table for one last title run. Kessler is a half measure that maybe solidifies them in the play in range. I think Windy is right, they aren't going to put picks on the table unless they're really good and those picks take them over the top. It's why nothing has been done up until this point. They haven't been serious about DJ, Grant, ect. Don't think they'd hold the line for so long and then decide Kessler is the one they need.

After more thought, I'm pretty close to just ruling out any Kessler/Lakers trade.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

You don't think there is much benefit in cap space next year?

Probably not and the Jazz have a bad track record of ever using it to their advantage.