Am I racist?

[Deleted member 848]

No, I disagree. I think morality should be as objective as possible. And morality deals with what is wrong, not what is inappropriate. Red skin objectifies and insults. It is wrong and should not be used.

I'm not sure how I feel about your distinction between wrong and inappropriate.

Since there is nowhere near consensus within that community that the term American Indian is offensive, at least in the US, the fact it is inappropriate is simply your opinion. And clearly that does not dictate how others should speak.

It is quite consensus in the Canadian community (at least in my university community) to refer to Indigenous Peoples as that, and not Indians-- in lecture, in papers, anything (other than referring to their legal status directly). We might just have to chalk it up as a cultural difference.

 

[Deleted member 848]

By the way, when I click the link provided it simply takes me to the last post in this thread (my own post)

hmm. it should take you to page 6.

I'm not ignoring your posts
I just asked you a very specific question that had not been asked yet in this thread.

It hasn't been asked specifically, but there were posts made that answer it.

It's odd that you could have saved lots of time by just answering it in the first place instead of ask the run around.

I will accept that you won't answer my question. It's ok

I have answered your question u can do it, fish.

 

[fishonjazz]

It hasn't been asked specifically, but there were posts made that answer it.



I have answered your question u can do it, fish.

You say my question has not been asked, yet you have answered it.
I disagree. You have not answered my question and apparently won't

 

[fishonjazz]

So my question would be why did people in power create the stereotype of black guys being good dancers? How does that dominate them?

There is my question again for ya (so you don't have to go search for it like you want me to do with your "answer")

It's a very specific scenario.
Not sure if you will be able to handle it. We will see. The ball is in your court

 

[Deleted member 848]

You say my question has not been asked, yet you have answered it.
I disagree.

I think the reality is that it's somewhere in the middle, as with most things. I think you're reaching when you purely purport stereotypes as 'memes', and nothing else-- and never purposely created/exploited.

made when Siro said I was reaching when I insinuated that stereotypes were purely a weapon of oppression.

 

[fishonjazz]

made when Siro said I was reaching when I insinuated that stereotypes were purely a weapon of oppression.

Ok, so you don't think that stereotypes are purely a weapon of oppression.

That was all I was trying to get from you. It would have been really easy for you to just post that in the first place.

Better late than never though! Thanks

 

[Siro]

I'm not sure how I feel about your distinction between wrong and inappropriate.



It is quite consensus in the Canadian community (at least in my university community) to refer to Indigenous Peoples as that, and not Indians-- in lecture, in papers, anything (other than referring to their legal status directly). We might just have to chalk it up as a cultural difference.

One is a violation of social expectations, the other inflicts substantive harm. The distinction is clear, and the two should not be equated because doing so devalues the moral worth of doing harm.

I think there is something to the claim of cultural differences. For example, I was with a group of friends, and one friend mentioned "Eskimos" only to be corrected by a Canadian guy. Apparently, the correct term is Inuit. None of us had heard that before.

But yes, I too am drained.

 

[Deleted member 848]

There is my question again for ya (so you don't have to go search for it like you want me to do with your "answer")

It's a very specific scenario.
Not sure if you will be able to handle it. We will see. The ball is in your court

Blacks being good dancers is a pretty poor example of a positive stereotype. Blacks being good at dancing has for decades been tied closely together to their purported sexual promiscuity, which whites have long used as a stereotype against black people.

 

[Deleted member 848]

Ok, so you don't think that stereotypes are purely a weapon of oppression.

That was all I was trying to get from you. It would have been really easy for you to just post that in the first place.

Better late than never though! Thanks

Would have been just as easy if you read through the thread and noticed the post when i told you, what, 2 pages ago.

 

[Deleted member 848]

One is a violation of social expectations, the other inflicts substantive harm. The distinction is clear, and the two should not be equated because doing so devalues the moral worth of doing harm.

This is a cut-and-dry definition-- but not all differences between two terms are this cut and dry. The distinction between redskin and Indian being clear is subjective. IMO

I think there is something to the claim of cultural differences. For example, I was with a group of friends, and one friend mentioned "Eskimos" only to be corrected by a Canadian guy. Apparently, the correct term is Inuit. None of us had heard that before.

But yes, I too am drained.

Hehe. That's hilarious, actually. Eskimos is definitely considered offensive to most that I've talked to. Many are trying to change the name of a local football team as a result.

Me too, tho.

 

[fishonjazz]

Would have been just as easy if you read through the thread and noticed the post when i told you, what, 2 pages ago.

I didn't get your answer from your discussion with siro though. Maybe you expect to much from me.
I'm not particularly smart and don't catch everything in a convo especially if it's not obvious or direct or the vocabulary goes over my.

In the future I would suggest that when dealing with a question from me specifically to either answer it or don't answer rather than tell me to look through a thread for it.

I promise that if you try to discuss something with me and ask me something that I will try my best to answer you directly rather than tell you to go hunt through the thread for where I had already talked about it

 

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Blacks being good dancers is a pretty poor example of a positive stereotype. Blacks being good at dancing has for decades been tied closely together to their purported sexual promiscuity, which whites have long used as a stereotype against black people.

Nah, bro. Blacks being good at dancing is from the long history of shaking their bodies to the beat of the tribal drum.