Are the Jazz going to trade Rudy?

[infection]

This is total bullcrap.

Rudy gets hardly any of the blame. Everybody blames too many defenders and nobody could hit a shot on the losses to Houston. Then last year, they said Rudy didn't have enough help because we let all the defenders go. Nobody is pointing out how Jokic absolutely outplayed Rudy. Nobody points out that Capella gave Rudy fits the 2 years prior.

The narrative is always "Rudy did his job but he didn't have enough help."

Your idea of Capela giving Rudy fits includes Capela getting easy baskets because Rudy had to leave him to guard the guy with the ball because the guy guarding the guy with the ball couldn't guard the guy with the ball. Capela wasn't taking him on post ups or burning him with cross-overs.

 

[infection]

Your idea of Capela giving Rudy fits includes Capela getting easy baskets because Rudy had to leave him to guard the guy with the ball because the guy guarding the guy with the ball couldn't guard the guy with the ball. Capela wasn't taking him on post ups or burning him with cross-overs.

Oh, and in 2018 Capela scored 10.8 ppg and 10.6 rebounds per game against us in the playoffs (compared to 13.9 ppg and 10.8 rpg regular season) and in 2019 13 ppg and 10.2 rpg (compared to 16.6 ppg and 12.7 rpg regular season).

But yeah, Capela ate his lunch.

 

[LoPo]

Your idea of Capela giving Rudy fits includes Capela getting easy baskets because Rudy had to leave him to guard the guy with the ball because the guy guarding the guy with the ball couldn't guard the guy with the ball. Capela wasn't taking him on post ups or burning him with cross-overs.

This is true. Our approach to Houston, especially year 2, was odd. I do remember that Capella was outplaying Rudy a good bit prior to the strange approach to Harden in the 2019 playoffs.

 

[LoPo]

Oh, and in 2018 Capela scored 10.8 ppg and 10.6 rebounds per game against us in the playoffs (compared to 13.9 ppg and 10.8 rpg regular season) and in 2019 13 ppg and 10.2 rpg (compared to 16.6 ppg and 12.7 rpg regular season).

But yeah, Capela ate his lunch.

Never said he ate his lunch.

One thing you're completely leaving out too is that Houston played PJ Tucker a ton at C against us. Unfortunately, Rudy couldn't make them pay on the other end.

 

[LoPo]

It’s more of a national narrative but I keep hearing “experts” say Rudy gets played off the floor in the playoffs. It’s completely false.

I don't think he gets played off the floor, but he surely doesn't play like a top NBA talent in the playoffs. Regular season - Rudy is a top 20 NBA player in terms of effect on the game. In the playoffs, he doesn't control near as much. If that's the narrative, it's true.

 

[infection]

Never said he ate his lunch.

One thing you're completely leaving out too is that Houston played PJ Tucker a ton at C against us. Unfortunately, Rudy couldn't make them pay on the other end.

I didn't leave that out. You were talking about Capela/Rudy. I'm assuming you bringing up Tucker is your indirect way of saying that what you said about Capela/Rudy was wrong. But I'd have to go back to the game logs to look because I don't think they started to use very many minutes of Tucker as the 5 against Rudy until this year.

 

[LoPo]

I didn't leave that out. You were talking about Capela/Rudy. I'm assuming you bringing up Tucker is your indirect way of saying that what you said about Capela/Rudy was wrong. But I'd have to go back to the game logs to look because I don't think they started to use very many minutes of Tucker as the 5 against Rudy until this year.

No, I brought up Tucker to show that simply showing Capella's stats is dumb. What if Capella had those stats in 8 minutes less per game? You want to post those?

My point still stands. Rudy doesn't dominate in the playoffs. He is very good, but he doesn't dominate. He's not a supermax player. Not on the court and definitely not on the court.

 

[infection]

No, I brought up Tucker to show that simply showing Capella's stats is dumb. What if Capella had those stats in 8 minutes less per game? You want to post those?

My point still stands. Rudy doesn't dominate in the playoffs. He is very good, but he doesn't dominate. He's not a supermax player. Not on the court and definitely not on the court.

Sure, glad you asked:

2018 regular season Capela averaged 27.5 minutes per game, compared to 32.9 minutes per game against us in the playoffs.
2019 regular season Capela averaged 33.6 minutes per game, compared to 31.7 minutes per game against us in the playoffs.

But let me recap this discussion really quick:

KqWIN: We lost against Houston because we couldn't score (post 238).
FAILED STATE: Rudy catches the blame, but it's obviously more nuanced (post 242).
LoPo: Rudy never gets blamed. Everyone blames everyone else. Capela gave Rudy fits (post 251).
infection: Capela didn't give Rudy fits (posts 253 and 254).
LoPo: Houston gave a lot of minutes to PJ Tucker and Rudy couldn't punish him on the other end (post 256).

 

[David Ginola 14]

You mean Rudy was hung out to dry by an experimental and under-practiced defensive scheme that took three games to establish whilst all our shooters were bricking the **** out of everything?

ok. Yeah.

I mean it's not true that Rudy is the best of the team and it's not true that we dated Houston because of Mitchell ... Rudy is not worth the supermax and not even the max, Davis takes 190 in 5 years, as Rudy can expect more? In attack is limited ..

 

[NUMBERICA]

All I know is that any contract that pays Gobert more than Anthony Davis is real ****ing stupid.

 

[infection]

And regarding the issue of PJ Tucker going against Rudy in the playoffs, there really isn't any data to support that. Here are the numbers for each game of both years we faced them in the playoffs:

2018 game 1 vs. Houston:
Jazz lose by 14. Rudy plays 35 minutes and 19 seconds, while Capela plays 35 minutes and 31 seconds. Nene plays 4 minutes

2018 game 2:
Jazz win by 8. Rudy plays 36 minutes and 46 seconds. Capela plays 30 minutes and 59 seconds. Nene plays 4 minutes.

2018 game 3:
Jazz lose by 21. Rudy plays 32 minutes and 11 seconds. Capela plays 30 minutes and 11 seconds. Nene plays 13 minutes and 32 seconds.

2018 game 4:
Jazz lose by 13. Rudy plays 32 minutes and 17 seconds. Capela plays 37 minutes and 5 seconds. Nene plays 10 minutes.

2018 game 5:
Jazz lose by 10. Rudy plays 33 minutes and 55 seconds. Capela plays 31 minutes and 13 seconds. Nene plays 11 minutes and 22 seconds.

2019 game 1:
Jazz lose by 32. Rudy plays 33 minutes and 42 seconds. Capela plays 32 minutes and 23 seconds. Faried plays 15 minutes and 37 seconds.

2019 game 2:
Jazz lose by 20. Rudy plays 31 minutes and 11 seconds. Capela plays 29 minutes and 26 seconds. Faried plays 16 minutes and 56 seconds.

2019 game 3:
Jazz lose by 3. Rudy plays 32 minutes and 57 seconds. Capela plays 33 minutes and 8 seconds. Faried plays 9 minutes and 59 seconds.

2019 game 4:
Jazz win by 16. Rudy plays 23 minutes and 47 seconds. Capela plays 27 minutes and 31 seconds. Faried plays 5 minutes 21 seconds.

2019 game 5:
Jazz lose by 7. Rudy plays 30 minutes and 25 seconds. Capela plays 35 minutes and 53 seconds. Faried plays 2 minutes and 56 seconds. Nene makes an appearance playing 9 minutes 11 seconds.

I believe what's happening is that there's a recency bias here where we saw Houston move Tucker into the 5 spot and we struggled against them for 1-2 games when they did, and this has now colored how we viewed what happened in the 10 post-season games we played against them, when in reality this "Tucker/Gobert" matchup never actually happened.

 

[Hekate]

I didn't leave that out. You were talking about Capela/Rudy. I'm assuming you bringing up Tucker is your indirect way of saying that what you said about Capela/Rudy was wrong. But I'd have to go back to the game logs to look because I don't think they started to use very many minutes of Tucker as the 5 against Rudy until this year.

It doesn't matter because they packed the paint, took the passing lanes to Rudy and dared us to shoot. They just had to leave Ariza/Gordon with Donovan and let everyone else guard Rudy.