Are our mental health issues really that much greater than these countries?
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Republicans often blame mental health problems for these mass shootings, so why did they vote this way?
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At some pt, ya gotta do something, right? Either fund mental health or restrict guns. Right now the status quo is thoughts and prayers. Needless to say, praying isn’t helping.
Another thought as I read through this again is that this is largely the social media impact. Everything, literally everything, gets at least a few minutes in literally everyone's feed at one point or another, or someone posts something about it on a forum like this, or you hear about it from a friend who saw it on social media. This is a huge issue, in my opinion. I mean it is good to be informed, I guess, but hearing about every single bad thing that happens skews our perception of the world in ways that are causing real harm to people aside from the **** like this.At this point I feel like im more likely to die from a random stranger randomly shooting me than I am to die from covid or myocartis or the vaccine combined. Yet it seems no one wants to really talk about it or do anything about it.
Of course I have always been in the camp of "nothing can be done about it" so I have nothing regarding solutions.
On average, fewer than 350 people under the age of 21 have been abducted by strangers in the United States per year since 2010, the FBI says. From 2010 through 2017, the most recent data available, the number has ranged from a low of 303 in 2016 to a high of 384 in 2011 with no clear directional trend.
Huge issue, maybe the single biggest issue in society right now that is looming like an iceberg, where we are only recognizing and really understanding the very tip of the problem, and everyone glosses over because we are so ill-informed, everywhere around the entire world. Yes the mind is mysterious, but mental health issues is one underlying factor, and often a huge one, for so many societal issues, including crime, abduction, divorce, bankruptcy, suicide, absenteeism, lost productivity, parental neglect, bullying, you name it. We need to take this seriously as a society, yet we do not. It really makes people uncomfortable to discuss at all, so we just don't. Someone's significant other is acting weird, they are arguing a lot, they sleep a lot, they cannot hold down a job, they have a lot of negative talk about themselves, they are sad all the time, they have a really short fuse, they occasionally mention they think about ending it all, and yet what happens is more likely divorce than getting help because the other one has no idea, zero, nada, how to help, or often any frame of reference at all to even recognize or understand depression for what it is, let alone empathize at all, and often it is damaging enough they don't think about help at all, just getting away. It is way worse than anyone thinks or acknowledges or admits or understands, pick a form of denial there.I am all for funding mental health treatments. 100%. My wife has been suffering from mental health issues for the better part of a decade. The help just isn’t there. Getting an appointment to see a therapist or psychiatrist is an absolute joke. She went through a treatment where they literally electrically shocked her brain. Getting that approved by the insurance was ridiculous. She literally chooses not to take a medication because of the cost.
There have been 376 school shootings since Columbine. 1 of them was by a trans person.It’s not guns.
It’s not mental health.
It’s the trans community. They’re the problem.
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I wonder if we could get stats on what percentage of the shooters were bullied in school? Because I bet this guy was.There have been 376 school shootings since Columbine. 1 of them was by a trans person.
Yep, the problem is obviously trans people...
I bet it is extremely high, like 80% or more. I wouldn't be surprised if it was almost all of them.I wonder if we could get stats on what percentage of the shooters were bullied in school? Because I bet this guy was.
Doesn’t Bullying happen everywhere and at any time? Bullying happened 30 years ago but the weapons and ammo available now weren’t available then. Bullying happens in Canada, France, and Finland, right? Yet they aren’t seeing insane mass shootings. The difference between us at other times in our own history and with other countries is the ease of obtaining an overwhelmingly amount of weapons and ammo in this country.I bet it is extremely high, like 80% or more. I wouldn't be surprised if it was almost all of them.
Bullying happens in a lot of places and a lot of different times. Weapons and ammo were just as available in the U.S. 30 years ago, or 50 years ago.Doesn’t Bullying happen everywhere and at any time? Bullying happened 30 years ago but the weapons and ammo available now weren’t available then. Bullying happens in Canada, France, and Finland, right? Yet they aren’t seeing insane mass shootings. The difference between us at other times in our own history and with other countries is the ease of obtaining an overwhelmingly amount of weapons and ammo in this country.
Why don’t we attempt to do both? Divert more resources for mental health AND institute gun bans and buybacks? Try that for 15 years and let’s see the results. If we don’t see the desired results, we can always return to the status quo. Of course, gun manufacturers, the NRA, and the *** clowns on Fox News won’t like this. But whatever. It’s worth a shot, right?
I can tell you that a major issue for me has been learning how to “behave” when my wife is struggling. She has a tendency to be very short and angry. It’s hard for me to not react negatively when my wife tells me to go **** myself when I ask if she has anything planned for dinner. I struggled with it for a long time. I’m still not great at it. The thing I have to remind myself is that my wife is sick. It’s not her real self saying that to me.Huge issue, maybe the single biggest issue in society right now that is looming like an iceberg, where we are only recognizing and really understanding the very tip of the problem, and everyone glosses over because we are so ill-informed, everywhere around the entire world. Yes the mind is mysterious, but mental health issues is one underlying factor, and often a huge one, for so many societal issues, including crime, abduction, divorce, bankruptcy, suicide, absenteeism, lost productivity, parental neglect, bullying, you name it. We need to take this seriously as a society, yet we do not. It really makes people uncomfortable to discuss at all, so we just don't. Someone's significant other is acting weird, they are arguing a lot, they sleep a lot, they cannot hold down a job, they have a lot of negative talk about themselves, they are sad all the time, they have a really short fuse, they occasionally mention they think about ending it all, and yet what happens is more likely divorce than getting help because the other one has no idea, zero, nada, how to help, or often any frame of reference at all to even recognize or understand depression for what it is, let alone empathize at all, and often it is damaging enough they don't think about help at all, just getting away. It is way worse than anyone thinks or acknowledges or admits or understands, pick a form of denial there.
How do we break though this one is the problem. It is a very tough nut to crack, if we ever can or will. Somehow we need to break the stigma associated with it. Like we have been doing with weed use, and about time. How do we do the same thing for mental health issues?
But I will tell you that voting against funding things like this doesn't help at all, even if the funding bill isn't perfect and includes some **** they don't like, we have to ****ing start somewhere.
The thing about is that if it doesn’t work, you know as well as I do that we won’t return to the status quo. I love the idea of buybacks. I think people will be more inclined to sell their firearms to the government than have them taken away.Doesn’t Bullying happen everywhere and at any time? Bullying happened 30 years ago but the weapons and ammo available now weren’t available then. Bullying happens in Canada, France, and Finland, right? Yet they aren’t seeing insane mass shootings. The difference between us at other times in our own history and with other countries is the ease of obtaining an overwhelmingly amount of weapons and ammo in this country.
Why don’t we attempt to do both? Divert more resources for mental health AND institute gun bans and buybacks? Try that for 15 years and let’s see the results. If we don’t see the desired results, we can always return to the status quo. Of course, gun manufacturers, the NRA, and the *** clowns on Fox News won’t like this. But whatever. It’s worth a shot, right?
I feel for you, for sure. I know when my depression set in, it was a result of my cancer treatment and the trauma of that experience that triggered it, and one of the things I resent the most about it is my kids would never get to know the father I could have been. Instead they got this distant, quick to anger, moody, introverted guy for 10 years before I figured out what I was dealing with and how to minimize the impact on my family, even if imperfectly. And even after I started into therapy and medication it was nearly another decade before I felt I had at least a little handle on it all. It still affects me every single day, but as you said, I put on a really good front and very few people realize I am dealing with this thing on my back every day. I am glad to hear you have her on the road to improvement. There is no such thing as recovery or cure for this, it is about incremental improvement, and learning to live with it, and you are doing the best thing you can in supporting her and trying to recognize that she doesn't mean to act that way, but we still do even when we know we are hurting people, which is where things like thoughts of suicide come in. I thought legitimately for years that my family would be so better off without me, that I would be doing them a favor. Thank goodness I got past that point and now have learned to live with what I have and make the best of it. I got so lucky that my wife is fantastic, but for us it helps that she dealt with depression as well, so she gets it. Makes it easier but sometimes, when both of us are having a bad day, or week, it can get self-reinforcing and end up in a spiral that isn't good. But that doesn't happen very often, thank god. And mostly all that means is we waste an entire weekend bingeing netflix and eating junkfood and eating quart after quart of ice cream (that is mostly me).I can tell you that a major issue for me has been learning how to “behave” when my wife is struggling. She has a tendency to be very short and angry. It’s hard for me to not react negatively when my wife tells me to go **** myself when I ask if she has anything planned for dinner. I struggled with it for a long time. I’m still not great at it. The thing I have to remind myself is that my wife is sick. It’s not her real self saying that to me.
I wish my wife were more open with her struggles. She refuses to tell the kids about it. She only tells me when she’s having a really bad episode. I have gotten to the point where I can see the signs, but she is very good at hiding it. She puts on a great front. I think that’s leading to some issues with my kids not wanting to go to her with issues. And because they know my wife and I discuss everything related to our family, they aren’t all that open with me either. I think my oldest daughter (18) has figured it out. I think my oldest son (15) knows there’s something going on, but isn’t sure what it is, but he may have a pretty good idea. Luckily, my wife has found a therapist that seems to be helping and I think we’ve finally found a good combination of drugs as well. The stigma of depression and anxiety, while getting better, is still very very real.
IAWTPThe thing about is that if it doesn’t work, you know as well as I do that we won’t return to the status quo. I love the idea of buybacks. I think people will be more inclined to sell their firearms to the government than have them taken away.
Guns and ammo have always been easily obtainable. I don’t think it’s easier now than 30 years ago to buy a gun. Admittedly, I wasn’t buying guns 30 years ago, but I was in sporting goods stores then and saw them everywhere. Getting ammo is probably easier. You can literally buy it online and have it show up at your front door. I would be open to limiting that option.