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NAOS said:
how tired have you become of saying this obsolete reactionary stuff (recycled from 1980s junk talk radio) to an empty chair?
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The most amusing part of this reaction is the speed at which it occurred. It is as though Darwiniacs have an accidental mutation that senses when they need to defend their favorite culties.
 
PearlWatson said:
The most amusing part of this reaction is the speed at which it occurred. It is as though Darwiniacs have an accidental mutation that senses when they need to defend their favorite culties.
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Your shtick was funny for a minute, Mr. American Ferk. But you've run out of material.
 
PearlWatson said:
I'm sure you have heard of Pascal's Wager.
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So, using myself as an example, even though I do not believe that God exists any more than I believe in poltergeists, I should just go ahead and pretend to be religious? That would be best, even if there is no God?

Please don't ignore that for this hypothetical we're assuming God doesn't actually exist. Not that his existence is a big silly mystery, like in real life, but that for the purpose of my question he is known to NOT exist.
 
Gameface said:
So, using myself as an example, even though I do not believe that God exists any more than I believe in poltergeists, I should just go ahead and pretend to be religious? That would be best, even if there is no God?

Please don't ignore that for this hypothetical we're assuming God doesn't actually exist. Not that his existence is a big silly mystery, like in real life, but that for the purpose of my question he is known to NOT exist.
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If we assume there is no God then you can do whatever the hell you want. There is no wrong or right way to behave.

But just because you deny God doesn't mean you ain't extremely religious. You have your own faith in things not seen...your own cosmology, etc.
 
NAOS said:
I'm not sure what you mean.

Are you saying the sides have reached a stalemate?
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I am just saying that don't you think that religious people thinkt he same thing anytime some athiest person goes off about how we are all alone and that when we die that is it.

You are tired of hearing those lectures, well maybe we are as well.
 
PearlWatson said:
If we assume there is no God then you can do whatever the hell you want. There is no wrong or right way to behave.

But just because you deny God doesn't mean you ain't extremely religious. You have your own faith in things not seen...your own cosmology, etc.
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So if this whole time there hasn't really been a God then actions that you have considered moral and right were actually immoral because they were not defined as moral by a supreme being? Or is it possible that God and His authority to define right and wrong has always been under the control of mere mortal men? I mean, even Christian morality is subjective. What it means to you, today, in the U.S., is far different than what it meant to a person in the U.S. 150 years ago, let alone someone living in Europe 600 years ago. So, God has not provided mankind with an absolute moral code. Mankind continues to create it's own moral code and have special men appointed to high positions in religious institutions give it the Lord's stamp of approval.
 
PearlWatson said:
If we assume there is no God then you can do whatever the hell you want. There is no wrong or right way to behave.
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I find this utterly confusing. Religious people commit more crimes then atheists ( that's proven fact based on data from USA prisons) - so what is your point? Me being non believer in god does not push me towards doing "whatever the hell I want". I think compared to my previous co-worker who is mormon ( and use to smoke, do drugs, drink , DUI, and get involved in group sex ) I am way more decent human being. We had this discussion before and it is sad you coming back to it as it makes no sense whatsoever.
 
Gameface said:
So if this whole time there hasn't really been a God then actions that you have considered moral and right were actually immoral because they were not defined as moral by a supreme being? Or is it possible that God and His authority to define right and wrong has always been under the control of mere mortal men? I mean, even Christian morality is subjective. What it means to you, today, in the U.S., is far different than what it meant to a person in the U.S. 150 years ago, let alone someone living in Europe 600 years ago. So, God has not provided mankind with an absolute moral code. Mankind continues to create it's own moral code and have special men appointed to high positions in religious institutions give it the Lord's stamp of approval.
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There is no such thing as "immoral" if there is no God. There is just lawful and unlawful.

Your statement that God has not provided mankind with an absolute moral code assumes there is a God in order to "prove" there isn't one, so I don't know what to take from that.

Are you trying to explain your "rationality" or convert me to your way of thinking?
 
AKMVP said:
I find this utterly confusing. Religious people commit more crimes then atheists ( that's proven fact based on data from USA prisons) - so what is your point? Me being non believer in god does not push me towards doing "whatever the hell I want". I think compared to my previous co-worker who is mormon ( and use to smoke, do drugs, drink , DUI, and get involved in group sex ) I am way more decent human being. We had this discussion before and it is sad you coming back to it as it makes no sense whatsoever.
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If there is no God there is no right or wrong, just lawful or unlawful.

Why do you care whether God-deniers are considered "decent" or not? Why reject God as a moral authority only to give it to your fellow humans?
 
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