Boston Marathon explosions......

[One Brow]

How come we don't have a publicly-funded counterpoint to NPR???? Isn't that just some silly abuse of public funds to propagandize the American people???

NPR goes out of its way to present different sides of issue. What would the counterpoint be?

 

[Stoked]

This was generally a very good post, but I disagree here. In America, the solution to bad speech is good speech. The solution to bad ideas are good ideas, well-stated and plainly. I agree that no one should be persecuted for their religious belief (or any other sort of belief). However, I think it's possible to call out religious beliefs without it rising to the level of persecution. If I followed TheBlackSwordsman/Stoked/JazzSpazz/PearlWatson/Bronco70/etc. around every thread, calling out their religion in every (or even many) unrelated threads, that would be harassment and persecution. That it happens in the occasional thread means it is not harassment and not persecution.

Nice distinction. Agreed.

 

[The Black Swordsman]

Since so many others are done with you, can you now find the time to admit Hitler was not revealed to be an atheist by Hitler's Table Talk, and that there is no good reason to say he was and many good reasons to say he was not?

If you agree that Carl Sagan, Mark Twain, and Einstein weren't atheists, sure I'll say Hitler wasn't an atheist.

 

[PearlWatson]

God deniers usually feel the void by becoming Darwiniacs, a major cult of the Liberal religion. It is either that or they turn to booze.

Hitler may have expressed disliked for the Godless soviets but he wholeheartedly embraced the Darwiniac cult, so popular among Germany's "intellectual" class, and it's doctrine of "preserving the favored races."

God deniers and/or Darwiniacs are all one big happy family when it comes to applying the logic of the Darwiniac Dogma that man is simply an accident and has no greater moral significance than the flies that frequent Obongo's purple lips.

 

[NAOS]

God deniers usually feel the void by becoming Darwiniacs, a major cult of the Liberal religion. It is either that or they turn to booze.

Hitler may have expressed disliked for the Godless soviets but he wholeheartedly embraced the Darwiniac cult, so popular among Germany's "intellectual" class, and it's doctrine of "preserving the favored races."

God deniers and/or Darwiniacs are all one big happy family when it comes to applying the logic of the Darwiniac Dogma that man is simply an accident and has no greater moral significance than the flies that frequent Obongo's purple lips.

how tired have you become of saying this obsolete reactionary stuff (recycled from 1980s junk talk radio) to an empty chair?

 

[Gameface]

God deniers usually feel the void by becoming Darwiniacs, a major cult of the Liberal religion. It is either that or they turn to booze.

Hitler may have expressed disliked for the Godless soviets but he wholeheartedly embraced the Darwiniac cult, so popular among Germany's "intellectual" class, and it's doctrine of "preserving the favored races."

God deniers and/or Darwiniacs are all one big happy family when it comes to applying the logic of the Darwiniac Dogma that man is simply an accident and has no greater moral significance than the flies that frequent Obongo's purple lips.

So what if there isn't a God? Wouldn't it make sense to not pretend there was?

 

[NAOS]

So what if there isn't a God? Wouldn't it make sense to not pretend there was?

Brace yourself for some stupid lecture about how magnificently complex the human eye is. Then, about how drunk we get in our own skepticism because god gave us will.

It's like 17th century Paris all over again...

 

[Stoked]

Brace yourself for some stupid lecture about how magnificently complex the human eye is. Then, about how drunk we get in our own skepticism because god gave us will.

It's like 17th century Paris all over again...

Now you know how the religious feel. Works both ways NAOS.

 

[One Brow]

If you agree that Carl Sagan, Mark Twain, and Einstein weren't atheists, sure I'll say Hitler wasn't an atheist.

Mark Twain was definitely not an atheist.

Since Carl Sagan and Albert Einstein chose not to identify themselves as atheists, and it would be rude of me to correct them on their own beliefs, I will agree they are not atheists.

Deal!

Carl Sagan, Mark Twain, and Einstein weren't atheists.

Now, it's your turn.

 

[babe]

Since so many others are done with you, can you now find the time to admit Hitler was not revealed to be an atheist by Hitler's Table Talk, and that there is no good reason to say he was and many good reasons to say he was not?

why do you need a personal victory in a point like this.

Hitler obviously was not a believer in christianity or islam or confucianism. He only dealt with these beliefs in a sort of practical way, without exploring their merits as guides in life. He didn't actually care if they were true or not, only if they were useful to his larger purposes. I don't think he even cared about race, except as a useful tool for projecting power and/or accumulating power. He didn't mind the Japanese being aligned with him, or the dark-skinned Arabs.

Hitler today would be a good player in the whole UN new world order. He was very lenient with the international cartels and very willing to let them gain inordinate market dominance. He was, at root, more fascist than anything else. Not all that different from George Bush or Barack Obama.

 

[NAOS]

Now you know how the religious feel. Works both ways NAOS.

I'm not sure what you mean.

Are you saying the sides have reached a stalemate?

 

[babe]

Mark Twain was definitely not an atheist.

Since Carl Sagan and Albert Einstein chose not to identify themselves as atheists, and it would be rude of me to correct them on their own beliefs, I will agree they are not atheists.

Deal!

Carl Sagan, Mark Twain, and Einstein weren't atheists.

Now, it's your turn.

Mark Twain was a corrupt newspaperman. He earned a lot of money from stock manipulators who needed him to pump worthless stocks, or drive stock worth something down with false rumors. He played the part of a shameless humor ho for the emerging wealthy elite of the US, though he perfectly understood their corrupt manner of business. He was a willing aider and abetter of fascist principles. All he cared about was an easy buck. Of course he didn't care about God.

Carl Sagan was as disinterested in God as he was romantically attached to his own sense of unhinged awe at the universe. Probably never understood a damn thing in fact.

Albert Einstein didn't know beans. . . . according to one boy who was raised on a farm and did know what beans look like as new sprouts. But I find his kind of thinking worthwhile. He frankly acknowledged stuff he just didn't know, and would listen to someone who thought they did. . . . at least politely. His point was that he just recognized the actual limits of understanding not only for himself but for others. Being able to live with those limits and still respect people is something I find admirable. I do think Einstein acknowledged with humility his place in creation, and knew there was something "out there" that had an ordering influence on the whole universe. Fundamentally, that is axiomatic in the very idea of imagining the existence of a general theory capable of interpreting the universe.