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There is no such thing as "immoral" if there is no God. There is just lawful and unlawful.

Your statement that God has not provided mankind with an absolute moral code assumes there is a God in order to "prove" there isn't one, so I don't know what to take from that.

Are you trying to explain your "rationality" or convert me to your way of thinking?

you've got a bunch of trolls on your tail. I know this only relates to the Boston Marathon Explosion in the very extremely remote speculation that some Islamic believers are alleged by some to have done their deed in the name of their "religion".

The bomb boys were likely idiots all fired up against Russian and "Western" atrocities committed against their native ethnic folks in Chechnya. The folks who radicalized the religion card in Chechnya were indeed "Western" puppets run by American "intelligence" black psy-op public manipulators. The communist movement since Karl Marx has never had any more relevant "control". I don't for a moment imagine that people riled up by the rhetoric of a hijacked religion under the control of egomaniacal world-scale warmongers are at all "religious".

so I suggest the trolls pack it in and start a relevant thread somewhere.

I'm copying Pearl's comment into the LTE since it also has nothing to do with idiot boys blowing up innocent folks on a city street for no good reason.
 
Why do you care whether God-deniers are considered "decent" or not? Why reject God as a moral authority only to give it to your fellow humans?

My fellow humans exist, have opinions worth considering, and are directly affected by my actions. Thus, I find it appropriate to consider, and sometimes accede, to their authority.
 
not a falsehood at all, and you don't own the language or it's meaning. Go pound some sand.

You mean, after you stick your head into that sand? I already quoted Hitler extensively on atheism and God (linked below for your easy reference), it's clear he despises atheism and accepts some sort of God. Of course, you probably have some wort of conspiracy hypothesis regarding Hitler's Table Talk. Can't have evidence disturbing that world view, now, can we?

https://jazzfanz.com/showthread.php?15876-Boston-Marathon-explosions&p=556859&viewfull=1#post556859

https://jazzfanz.com/showthread.php?15876-Boston-Marathon-explosions&p=556919&viewfull=1#post556919

https://jazzfanz.com/showthread.php?15876-Boston-Marathon-explosions&p=557256&viewfull=1#post557256
 
Mark Twain was definitely not an atheist.

Since Carl Sagan and Albert Einstein chose not to identify themselves as atheists, and it would be rude of me to correct them on their own beliefs, I will agree they are not atheists.

Deal!

Carl Sagan, Mark Twain, and Einstein weren't atheists.

Now, it's your turn.

Hitler wasn't an atheist.
 
You mean, after you stick your head into that sand? I already quoted Hitler extensively on atheism and God (linked below for your easy reference), it's clear he despises atheism and accepts some sort of God. Of course, you probably have some wort of conspiracy hypothesis regarding Hitler's Table Talk. Can't have evidence disturbing that world view, now, can we?

https://jazzfanz.com/showthread.php?15876-Boston-Marathon-explosions&p=556859&viewfull=1#post556859

https://jazzfanz.com/showthread.php?15876-Boston-Marathon-explosions&p=556919&viewfull=1#post556919

https://jazzfanz.com/showthread.php?15876-Boston-Marathon-explosions&p=557256&viewfull=1#post557256

Hitler, nevertheless was an atheist. Maybe he didn't claim to be bound to the formal logic of other "atheists", maybe it meant nothing to him to be either a believer or a non-believer in the Irrelevant. God had no place in his thinking. Yes, he didn't find it useful to carry a label, or to take a side in something he absolutely found irrelevant. Hitler did read Nietzsche, whose primary thrust was that great men might rightly hold themselves above the fray of all such notions as God and Morals. If you have the power, you make the rules. People who don't have the power are at your disposal, for whatever purpose you may have.

The current crowd of UN governance pushers might include some dedicated believers in the non-existence of God like yourself, who may have values and ethics above and beyond the case in many other folks. . . . . but those who do control it have the same philosophy as Hitler. It is the right of the elite to do what "must" be done, whatever it may be. They don't feel it necessary to address the issue of "God" any more than Hitler did, but they have the same disdain for anyone who does, whether a lowly christian or an educated professing "atheist".

It's called the arrogance of power for a reason. One of the things people with unlimited power have found to be a universally useful tool, is the exercise of raw, unreasoned and unprincipled power. "Because I say so" is the the mantra of tyranny across the ages. Having the will to just kill any opponent or anyone at all for no reason at all, is the demonstration a tyrant needs to make to prove his point. Once people realize he has the power to do senseless things with impunity, they will "conform" to whatever is asked, without question or quibble.

That's why I support the essential concept of limited government answerable to the governed.
 
I find it pathetic that you both had to go to such lengths to make basic statements about something you both apparently know. You must both be politicians.

When you start reading "Hitler was a Mormon" several times a month, used as an attack against Mormons, get back to me on that.
 
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