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Why do we have mass shootings like we just saw in Buffalo?


Rep. Elise Stefanik (R-N.Y.), in one of several new campaign ads released on Facebook this week, claims that Democrats are planning “permanent election insurrection” by granting sweeping “amnesty” to undocumented immigrants.

The claim of a Democrat-led “insurrection” comes just days before a planned rally in Washington, D.C., calling for the release of mostly far-right protesters jailed for their involvement in the Jan. 6 insurrection at the U.S. Capitol.

“Radical Democrats are planning their most aggressive move yet: a PERMANENT ELECTION INSURRECTION,” says one ad paid for by Stefanik’s campaign. “Their plan to grant amnesty to 11 MILLION illegal immigrants will overthrow our current electorate and create a permanent liberal majority in Washington.”

The ad included a photo of President Biden’s trademark aviator sunglasses reflecting what look meant to be migrants.

Another ad with same photo of Biden ran on Wednesday claiming, “Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, and Nancy Pelosi are attempting to flood our voter roles with 11 MILLION NEW VOTERS by giving illegal immigrants amnesty.”

Similar ads also ran in August.

The timing of the ads this month also coincides with the beginning of National Hispanic Heritage Month, which started on Wednesday.
The message she’s saying is that “republicans need to start killing immigrants, liberals, and POC or else you’ll be replaced.” Her statement after the shooting isn’t any better. This is the #3 ranked Republican in the House. She’s a top leader. She's not a liberal. She's not a Democrat. She's no fan of Bernie Sanders or AOC.
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Tucker Carlson vs Buffalo shooter's manifesto:

“Why is diversity said to be our greatest strength? Does anyone even ask why? It is spoken like a mantra and repeated ad infinitum,” the suspect wrote. The line nearly matches one of Mr. Carlson’s go-to attacks on Fox. “How, precisely, is diversity our strength?” Mr. Carlson asked in a 2018 segment, one of many in which he has hit on the question. “Since you’ve made this our new national motto, please be specific as you explain it.”

Manifesto:
“Diversity is not a strength,” Gendron wrote, according to snippets of the manifesto that authorities say he uploaded and are now floating around online. “Unity, purpose, trust, traditions, nationalism and racial nationalism is what provides strength.”

White nationalism isn't left wing, liberal, Democratic. In fact, it's the polar opposite. This manifesto and the white nationalism Carlson is spouting is anti-Democratic, anti pluralism, right wing fascism. Unity, purpose, militarism, and racial purity are the very definitions of right wing ideologies.


This Buffalo shooter might not have been radicalized by Carlson personally. I'm guessing he became radicalized at home or on the Internet. But the fact that this far right wing fascism so prevalent online on 8 Chan is being spouted off nightly on mainstream Republicans news outlets and is believed by 50 percent of Republicans should be a warning sign to us all.

 
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I’m not spinning the world. That disorienting feeling happens when you spend too much time on a merry-go-round. It is up to you to either take some time to steady yourself, or be like The Thriller and crawl back to the safe merry-go-round and deny the outside world.
As I prefaced in my previous reply, sometimes I realize how much more revealing it might be to sit down in person, face to face, in order to better judge who I am actually dealing with. And that’s because my “ulterior motive” meter has been going off where your efforts are concerned. And so sometimes direct person to person can clarify things like that, cause me to change my impression, or confirm it. But, all I really have is my honest impression from your comments on this forum. So, I voiced it, and I do stand by that impression. From where I stand, you seem to be in denial of reality. Be it democracy in America, or the latest racist attack, I just don’t have anymore time for an approach that begins by asking me to understand that “up is actually down”. I have no need to steady myself, and no reason to be receptive to your alternate reality. It puzzles me as to why you are so willing to advance “up is really down” arguments. At any rate, it’s not working in my case, we’re not going to see eye to eye. Which is fine, it’s no big deal for either of us in the scheme of things.
 
LOL. Very aggressively twisting the fabric of space time so that he can still advocate for all the same stuff without having to be on the same team with racist murderers.

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His hate of the lefties makes so much more sense when he finally tells us that he thinks all the right-wing extremists and ultra-racists were akshually the left all along.
 
I'm quite willing to believe this is a younger, dumber, Spencer. What I don't believe is your con that Spencer is some sort of left-winger. ... I don't see issues that he agrees with left on.
That cat endorsed Bernie Sanders and voted for Biden, however I don't think you are being dishonest when you say that you "don't see issues...".

Lefties on Jazzfanz
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That cat endorsed Bernie Sanders
I looked for links.


Tulsi Gabbard.

From slightly earlier:


“I could definitely see myself either supporting or even voting for a candidate who I thought was authentic to himself or herself,” Spencer said in an online video last week. “I could see myself voting for Tulsi. I could see myself voting for Bernie in the sense that he is what he is: he’s an authentic person.”

Prefers Gabbard to Sanders.


and voted for Biden,
As opposed to Trump, who talks bigger than he works.

however I don't think you are being dishonest when you say that you "don't see issues...".
After mentioning two of them.

"Outside of universal health care and opposing the Iraq invasion, I don't see issues that he agrees with left on."

That's a seriously dishonest quote mine.
 
I don't see issues that he agrees with left on."
If you don't see the issues it is only because you haven't listened to him speak. I don't mean you haven't read some other writer's synopsis but actually listened to words coming out of Richard Spencer's own punchable face. You quoted him above speaking sportively of Tulsi and Bernie. There is also the quote where he endorsed Biden and said he was voting straight democrat.


View: https://twitter.com/RichardBSpencer/status/1297439514244214784


To Biden's credit, he rejected the endorsement.


Beyond his votes and endorsements, his personal platform outside of the white nationalism bit sounds like it could have been written by AOC. He's a nut about green energy. He wants tuition reimbursement. He wants socialized healthcare. Richard Spencer is ideologically closer to AOC than he is to Biden. Anyone who says otherwise hasn't listened to the guy and is speaking from ignorance.
 
If you don't see the issues it is only because you haven't listened to him speak. I don't mean you haven't read some other writer's synopsis but actually listened to words coming out of Richard Spencer's own punchable face. You quoted him above speaking sportively of Tulsi and Bernie. There is also the quote where he endorsed Biden and said he was voting straight democrat.


View: https://twitter.com/RichardBSpencer/status/1297439514244214784


To Biden's credit, he rejected the endorsement.


Beyond his votes and endorsements, his personal platform outside of the white nationalism bit sounds like it could have been written by AOC. He's a nut about green energy. He wants tuition reimbursement. He wants socialized healthcare. Richard Spencer is ideologically closer to AOC than he is to Biden. Anyone who says otherwise hasn't listened to the guy and is speaking from ignorance.

What battle are you expecting to win with this ****?
 
What battle are you expecting to win with this ****?
The battle I am endeavoring to win is that it is wrong and not at all helpful to demonize half the country.

When the Buffalo shooter calls himself an eco-fascist socialist, I think to myself "yeah, that fits". It fits because that is who these lunatics are. I keep going back to Richard Spencer because of all of these type of people, he's the one I've listened to most.

Richard Spencer is ideologically socialist. The single biggest difference between white nationalist Richard Spencer and the Squad is that Richard Spencer believes the social programs he envisions will collapse financially if they are extended to everyone who wants to come whenever they need something. Like most socialists, he's got the fixed pie, zero sum view of economics and obsesses on how to divide it up equitably. He believes the people who contribute taxes and build America should have exclusive access to the social programs provided by the fruits of that labor. When Trump said that he'd build a wall before the 2016 election, Spencer's group of socialists all jumped on the train because a wall lasts longer than a President. They get their wall, then they vote in their socialist agenda.

By comparison, the Squad is every bit as racist. Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib have both been more antisemitic than Spencer, and Cori Bush's anti-white racism is every bit the equal of Spencer's pro-white racism. They may disagree on which skin colors go where but they agree on treating people differently based on race. The single biggest difference between Richard Spencer's socialism and the Squad's socialism that that the Squad seems to believe you can spend as much money as you want forever. If anyone in the world wants healthcare then come and we'll pay for you to get healthcare.

There is nothing about Richard Spencer's brand of socialism that would place him on the political right and this is where the real problem becomes apparent. So many people on the political left believe Richard Spencer is extreme right wing solely because they know he is racist AF and they believe being racist is the single central tent pole of the political right. It isn't just Red. I've seen JazzGal author similar sentiments with quips about being pro-life meaning more black and brown babies. This idea coming from the left that racism and right-wing are the same thing and they don't want anything to do with racism so by extension they don't want anything to do with anyone on the political right is not helpful. It also isn't true. Racists can be right-wing and they can be left wing. Racists can be of European ancestry or East Asian, African, or anywhere else.

When I point out that Richard Spencer wants a socialism that echoes AOC's green new deal, endorses Democrats, and voted for Biden, I'm trying to show that bigoted world view of racism and right-wing being the same thing doesn't stand up to the evidence at hand. Instead what I've proven is that when I show pretty undeniable evidence proving the concept false, that people run for the ignore button to block out any evidence they might be mistaken.
 
If you don't see the issues it is only because you haven't listened to him speak. I don't mean you haven't read some other writer's synopsis but actually listened to words coming out of Richard Spencer's own punchable face. You quoted him above speaking sportively of Tulsi and Bernie. There is also the quote where he endorsed Biden and said he was voting straight democrat.
Where he explicity says it is because of competence, not that he agrees on the issues. It's right on the tweet you pictured!

His personal platform sounds like it could have been written by AOC.
You have to be incredibly obtuse to think Spencer sounds like Ocasio-Cortez. They disagree on issues of race, immigration, gender, religion, geopolitics, and more.

I'm sure, based on your previous conduct in this thread, you have no object to how I quoted you.

He's a nut about green energy. He wants tuition reimbursement. He wants socialized healthcare. Richard Spencer is ideologically closer to AOC than he is to Biden. Anyone who says otherwise hasn't listened to the guy and is speaking from ignorance.

Spencer supports remaking capitalism? Reduced police funding? More gun control? A 70% marginal tax rate? LGBTQ+ equality? More rights for Puerto Ricans? Hmmmmm....

This is one long attempt at character assassination by association, and it's unimpressive.
 
By comparison, the Squad is every bit as racist. Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib have both been more antisemitic than Spencer, and Cori Bush's anti-white racism is every bit the equal of Spencer's pro-white racism.
This single sentence, in and of itself, undercuts every point you have tried to make in this thread. It is so full of egnorance (the marriage of ego to arrogance first coind to describe Dr. Egnor), and it shows you don't understand these women and you don't really care to.
 
So many people on the political left believe Richard Spencer is extreme right wing solely because they know he is racist AF and they believe being racist is the single central tent pole of the political right. It isn't just Red..
But this isn’t true. It’s not true that I concluded Spencer was right wing due to his racism. I concluded that in listening to him in speeches like this. Here he refers to the mainstream media as “Leftists and cucks”. At an alt right conference no less. I just would not expect someone who was politically aligned with the Left to speak derisively of Leftists. Imitating a Nazi salute likely played into my concluding he was far right as well. I also know racism can emanate from any race, not just whites. You do not know me. I guess you think you do, but you are most certainly full of ****


View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1o6-bi3jlxk
 
But this isn’t true. It’s not true that I concluded Spencer was right wing due to his racism. I concluded that in listening to him in speeches like this. Here he refers to the mainstream media as “Leftists and cucks”. At an alt right conference no less. I just would not expect someone who was politically aligned with the Left to speak derisively of Leftists. Imitating a Nazi salute likely played into my concluding he was far right as well. I also know racism can emanate from any race, not just whites. You do not know me. I guess you think you do, but you are most certainly full of ****


View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1o6-bi3jlxk

I think what is happening with some of these idiots is they are just saying **** to get a rise out of people, whatever that **** needs to be. They have no real convictions, just spout whatever vomitus they need to in order to keep people enraged, regardless of where that outrage comes from, left or right, they mostly don't give a ****. We reward the purely sensationalistic and outrageous way more than we reward anyone with a reasoned approach to any topic. It is what we as a society have fomented through where we spend our time attention and money.
 
I think what is happening with some of these idiots is they are just saying **** to get a rise out of people, whatever that **** needs to be. They have no real convictions, just spout whatever vomitus they need to in order to keep people enraged, regardless of where that outrage comes from, left or right, they mostly don't give a ****.
It's also a question of pushing the Overton window, and keeping people on the defensive. Not to mention the old trick of accusing others of your own faults.
 
This single sentence, in and of itself, undercuts every point you have tried to make in this thread. It is so full of egnorance (the marriage of ego to arrogance first coind to describe Dr. Egnor), and it shows you don't understand these women and you don't really care to.
Who the hell understands anyone, or wants to. If they are on your team, they can do no wrong. If they aren't, they can do no wrong.

You're pretty much unwilling to break things out on the facts alone. It's tribalism, intellectual tribalism, every bit as bad as any kind of racism.
 
I really just don't like intellectuals who labor all that hard to make their case in politics. People are not that simple, or that complicated. The world over, the great political rhetoric just isn't relevant.

Very few people have no friends or relatives that are not of different races. Very few people work up any special thinking otherize their immediate acquaintances. Well, maybe except local niches with some kind of historic contention. In the Philippines I saw some of that. Little camps separated by a river, say, who'd tell you how disgusting the people on the other side were, for some reason. You could hardly see a shade of color difference, or facial characteristic difference, but they could in an instant.

people on government payroll lolling in their school office thinking about the big wide world, looking for grand issues and political fodder just seem out of touch.

People generally get along with one another just fine, until some political wonk tries to make trouble.

And when the wonks get out and beat the bushes about something, it should not be any great surprise if a nutjob comes outta the bushes to do something the wonks triggered.
 
Who the hell understands anyone, or wants to. If they are on your team, they can do no wrong. If they aren't, they can do no wrong.
Not something I would say or think. I'm a skeptic, and don't believe in perfection, heroes, or complete agreement.

You're pretty much unwilling to break things out on the facts alone.
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It's tribalism, intellectual tribalism, every bit as bad as any kind of racism.
Since I don't create poisonous neighborhoods, send anyone to prison, nor provide inferior medical care, nothing I say or do can be as bad as everyday racism.
 
I really just don't like intellectuals who labor all that hard to make their case in politics.
Considering the enormous volume of posts you make in political topics, is this self-hatred?

people on government payroll lolling in their school office thinking about the big wide world, looking for grand issues and political fodder just seem out of touch.
You're nothing if not anti-intellectual.

People generally get along with one another just fine, until some political wonk tries to make trouble.
Real life says otherwise.
 
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