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Burks will be Rookie of the year.

SalmonHobo said:
He won't get enough playing time.
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Well, if Sloan were still coach, you know Burks would be parked on the bench behind Bell and Chucker. With Corbin, perhaps there's a chance for Alec to get 15 mins/per. Still, with Millsap likely getting a bunch of minutes at SF, especially if Memo is healthy, there aren't a lot of minutes available for Burks. You have to think CJ and Hayward, with a sprinkling of Raja, will eat up most of the remaining minutes at wing. Alec won't get enough time to put up ROY numbers. Only hope I have is that CJ and Raja get dealt at the trade deadline. Perhaps the rotation is then Millsap 30 mins at SF, Hayward 18 mins at SF and 18 at SG and Burks 30 mins at SG.
 
The biggest problem Burks faces is not the numbers game. This isn't Denver where he'd be buried behind Gallo/Aflalo/Smith/Chandler. The problem is statistically 19/20 year old rookie wings aren't ready to contribute out of the gate. Hayward is a case in point. The guy didn't belong anywhere near an NBA court until February.

I'm excited about Burks. But I'll be pretty surprised if a guy who was used to handling the ball 80% of the time is going to make a clean transition to playing off the ball. Hopefully he surprises, but I'm guessing a little patience will be needed while he adjusts.
 
orangello said:
Millsap is not going to get a bunch of minutes at SF. It will happen, but it will be rare. If it does happen, it will be a huge mistake/disaster.
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IF it does happen, I'm assuming Millsap will have proved he can play there. Therefore it will not be a mistake/disaster if that happens.
 
If Burks can just hit mid range jumpers off a curl/screen, convert 3 point plays at the rim, and play adequate defense I'll be thrilled. If he has a 3 point shot I'll be ridiculously thrilled.
 
Nate505 said:
If Burks can just hit mid range jumpers off a curl/screen, convert 3 point plays at the rim, and play adequate defense I'll be thrilled. If he has a 3 point shot I'll be ridiculously thrilled.
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Still a lot of if's, but well said and I agree ..
 
Nate505 said:
If Burks can just hit mid range jumpers off a curl/screen, convert 3 point plays at the rim, and play adequate defense I'll be thrilled. If he has a 3 point shot I'll be ridiculously thrilled.
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I agree, especially on defense. Everybody here is talking about his scoring ability, but if he could do 15 a game and be a lockdown defender, (e.g. Igoudala) I think that would be in the team's best interest. My biggest worry on where this team is going is defense, we seem to have Favors as our defensive anchor for the future, but who is defending the perimeter? Hayward has shown flashes but he still gets blown by and muscled around.
 
orangello said:
I am hoping that the season is condensed and they try and squeeze as many games in as possible. That really will allow for our young and hopefully energetic players to get more time.
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Good thought! Our depth could prove to be an advantage for us in a condensed season.
 
orangello said:
So, please help me understand. You are calling for the trading of Jefferson because you feel like Kanter will be better than him very soon. As soon as someone starts a thread about Burks being able to win the ROY award, you use the argument that everyone has been using with you in regards to Kanter. I am so confused.

Let me clarify my stance. I want the young guys to play a lot of minutes for the next two or three years. Let them play through their mistakes and give them a chance to learn and grow. I want to see Jefferson either traded or his minutes significantly limited. I fee the same way for Burks as well. Bell and Miles should have very limited minutes and should possibly be traded if the opportunity arises. I am ok with a few losing seasons as long as the young guys are getting better.
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Great post. Burks is probably MORE NBA-ready than Kanter right now. Just look at the #3 pick in last year's draft: Favors was considered the best big-man in the draft with huge upside. He promptly went to the bench behind Kris Freakin' Humphries on one of the worst teams in the league. It took Favors almost an entire season before he started to show flashes of what he could do - and that was after a pretty good year of college ball. Kanter doesn't have nearly the same amount of experience and Jefferson is no Humphries.


I don't think the Jazz need to necessarily sacrifice wins to develop their young talent. Favors and Hayward have already shown they can be starters, so playing each 30 mins/per is not detrimental to the team. So we're really talking about the development of Burks and Kanter. If I were Corbin, I'd limit Memo to 15-20 mins and not play him on the 2nd night of back-to-back games. That frees up more time for Kanter and/or Burks (if Millsap plays more PF when Memo is out). And mins for the other vets can be cut back a bit due to the condensed schedule. Look at a stretch of 4 games in 5 nights and tell Jefferson, Favors, Millsap, etc. that the idea will be to play them no more than 30 mins - and less if possible - to keep them fresh. I think Kanter and Burks will both have a few DNP's and average around 15 mins across the games they do play. And that will be perfect for the 1st half of the season. If either proves to be a whole lot better and is ready for significantly more minutes, then the Jazz can look at trades at the deadline.
 
GlassEater said:
Great post. Burks is probably MORE NBA-ready than Kanter right now. Just look at the #3 pick in last year's draft: Favors was considered the best big-man in the draft with huge upside. He promptly went to the bench behind Kris Freakin' Humphries on one of the worst teams in the league. It took Favors almost an entire season before he started to show flashes of what he could do - and that was after a pretty good year of college ball. Kanter doesn't have nearly the same amount of experience and Jefferson is no Humphries.


I don't think the Jazz need to necessarily sacrifice wins to develop their young talent. Favors and Hayward have already shown they can be starters, so playing each 30 mins/per is not detrimental to the team. So we're really talking about the development of Burks and Kanter. If I were Corbin, I'd limit Memo to 15-20 mins and not play him on the 2nd night of back-to-back games. That frees up more time for Kanter and/or Burks (if Millsap plays more PF when Memo is out). And mins for the other vets can be cut back a bit due to the condensed schedule. Look at a stretch of 4 games in 5 nights and tell Jefferson, Favors, Millsap, etc. that the idea will be to play them no more than 30 mins - and less if possible - to keep them fresh. I think Kanter and Burks will both have a few DNP's and average around 15 mins across the games they do play. And that will be perfect for the 1st half of the season. If either proves to be a whole lot better and is ready for significantly more minutes, then the Jazz can look at trades at the deadline.
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I have a hunch that Burks will be able to produce beneficially for the team much quicker than Kanter. Also, Burks only has Bell (who's minutes better take a huge hit) and CJ in front of him, whereas Kanter has one of our teams best player and Memo to fight for Center minutes. Lets not forget that Burks is fresh off a year of college ball; we all know the amount of Kanter's recent ball experience (or lack thereof)
 
orangello said:
So, please help me understand. You are calling for the trading of Jefferson because you feel like Kanter will be better than him very soon. As soon as someone starts a thread about Burks being able to win the ROY award, you use the argument that everyone has been using with you in regards to Kanter. I am so confused.

Let me clarify my stance. I want the young guys to play a lot of minutes for the next two or three years. Let them play through their mistakes and give them a chance to learn and grow. I want to see Jefferson either traded or his minutes significantly limited. I fee the same way for Burks as well. Bell and Miles should have very limited minutes and should possibly be traded if the opportunity arises. I am ok with a few losing seasons as long as the young guys are getting better.
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I didn't say we should wait to play Burks until he proves himself, i told he won't be able to find as much playing time until he proves. So there is a difference between my arguments and theirs. About Kanter, i never said he should be the main guy right away, but i said, i think he is gonna be better than Big Al for sure in couple of years, and instead of keeping him we can trade and get some assets in return while we have the flexibility to do that (because we are overloaded with talented big men)

So there is nothing to be confused unless you have a reading comprehension problem. I don't think neither Burks and Kanter will be able to win the ROY. Because i am not sure they are gonna find enough playing time for that award. But i wish they both would find more than 25 min per game. I am not against Burks playing major mins. Just i say that, this exhibition game doesn't prove anything since it wasn't any competition, it was like a full show of offense, there was no defense at all. So i rather prefer to be careful while comparing Burks to guys like Wade, it doesn't make sense to praise so high or criticize so badly just after a simple exhibition game.
 
GlassEater said:
Great post. Burks is probably MORE NBA-ready than Kanter right now. Just look at the #3 pick in last year's draft: Favors was considered the best big-man in the draft with huge upside. He promptly went to the bench behind Kris Freakin' Humphries on one of the worst teams in the league. It took Favors almost an entire season before he started to show flashes of what he could do - and that was after a pretty good year of college ball. Kanter doesn't have nearly the same amount of experience and Jefferson is no Humphries.


I don't think the Jazz need to necessarily sacrifice wins to develop their young talent. Favors and Hayward have already shown they can be starters, so playing each 30 mins/per is not detrimental to the team. So we're really talking about the development of Burks and Kanter. If I were Corbin, I'd limit Memo to 15-20 mins and not play him on the 2nd night of back-to-back games. That frees up more time for Kanter and/or Burks (if Millsap plays more PF when Memo is out). And mins for the other vets can be cut back a bit due to the condensed schedule. Look at a stretch of 4 games in 5 nights and tell Jefferson, Favors, Millsap, etc. that the idea will be to play them no more than 30 mins - and less if possible - to keep them fresh. I think Kanter and Burks will both have a few DNP's and average around 15 mins across the games they do play. And that will be perfect for the 1st half of the season. If either proves to be a whole lot better and is ready for significantly more minutes, then the Jazz can look at trades at the deadline.
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Humpries played really well and efficient in every game i watched him last year, so you shouldn't underestimate him. Memo is playing pretty well right now in turkey, i see him fit enough to play in nba, and he may come off the bench and take 15-20 min each game. So that's why, i think Kanter will have a mountain to climb to get major playing mins. Maybe that will be better for him, he will learn how to compete, but also Burks won't find playing time easily. CJ miles is one step ahead due to his experience, and there is Hayward. If AK returns, he will barely play more than 15 min per game, if he doesn't i hope we won't start stupid adventures like playing Sap as SF, we can instead play Hayward 3 and burks 2 but honestly i think Hayward is much better at 2 than 3
 
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