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Cody Williams Hype and Appreciation Thread

Cody Williams defensive rebounding impact is 21st percentile (adjusted plus minus but for defensive rebounding). Honestly better than I expected, but still not great (and as always these numbers are not 100% perfect). This combined with his absent defensive playmaking makes it hard for him to be a positive defender.

I think there's a theoretical upper limit to rebounding and also likely a point where there are diminishing returns, but the Jazz aren't close to that. I'm not sure a situation where "we have enough rebounding" really exists in the NBA.

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Of course it does. If you can have 5+ rebounders on the court, of course that is a positive, but there is definitely a point where adding additional rebounding if it comes at the expense of other abilities is not the best idea.

Cody is far and away our best individual defender at the moment. Yes we lose some rebounding having him in vs say, a Hendricks, but the positive defense he brings is way more valuable than the additional rebounding Hendricks brings.
 
OK, so I don't want to start a whole thread about this, but I do think Cody's rebounding is something worth discussing. His rebounding % is currently 4.9% which is second to last on the team (Collier is last). If you compare him to players 6'4" or taller who have played at least 20 games he has the 20th worst rebounding percentage in the NBA. Svi is basically at the same rate, so some of this could be a scheme thing. According to PBP stats we are a 2% worse defensive rebounding team with Cody on the floor and a 5% worse offensive rebounding team with Cody on the floor. Obviously his weight/strength is a huge factor here, but I would think a guy with his length could be a decent rebounder.

I've tried to pay close attention to his rebounding over the last few games and here are some observations, as I think his rebounding problems are varied. He very meekly goes after rebounds. Instead of physically bodying up another player, he almost tries to sneak in for rebounds. He generally has poor positioning. Probably related to his strength, but he picks the places on the floor where he is least likely to get bumped instead of the places where the ball is most likely to land. He almost never tries to box anyone out and if he does it generally isn't very effective as the player is usually able to get through him easily. He generally has poor instincts of when to jump and where to be, this is a skill thing and not a strength related issue. He has poor hands/strength and even when he is in position to get the ball he rarely comes up with it when contested. I don't think the majority of his issues with rebounding are lack of motor as he tries to get rebounds, although he could probably try harder. I think the main issue is his lack of physicality followed by a lack of skill.

So What?:
- Can Cody be a viable low usage player he if doesn't rebound better?
- Does Cody need to rebound if we have guys like Kessler on the floor?
- How much can Cody improve his rebounding?
Cody needs to take up rugby in the offseason.
 
Of course it does. If you can have 5+ rebounders on the court, of course that is a positive, but there is definitely a point where adding additional rebounding if it comes at the expense of other abilities is not the best idea.

Cody is far and away our best individual defender at the moment. Yes we lose some rebounding having him in vs say, a Hendricks, but the positive defense he brings is way more valuable than the additional rebounding Hendricks brings.

And what I said is we're not close to that point. Jazz are only 21st in defensive rebounding. We're horrible at everything. If it exists in the NBA, it's certainly not in Utah.

The great thing about your theory is that we can test this theory you have about the tradeoffs with numbers. We don't necessarily have to agree with the results, but we can look at the actual team performance results. Not great for Hendricks, but worse for Cody. We haven't seen Cody have a good impact on team defensive performance.
 
And what I said is we're not close to that point. Jazz are only 21st in defensive rebounding. We're horrible at everything. If it exists in the NBA, it's certainly not in Utah.

The great thing about your theory is that we can test this theory you have about the tradeoffs with numbers. We don't necessarily have to agree with the results, but we can look at the actual team performance results. Not great for Hendricks, but worse for Cody. We haven't seen Cody have a good impact on team defensive performance.
We've definitely seen the coach go to him to guard the other team's best offensive player- so Hardy at least sees him pretty much as our only 'stopper' as long as he continues to refuse to play Harkless.
 
And what I said is we're not close to that point. Jazz are only 21st in defensive rebounding. We're horrible at everything. If it exists in the NBA, it's certainly not in Utah.

The great thing about your theory is that we can test this theory you have about the tradeoffs with numbers. We don't necessarily have to agree with the results, but we can look at the actual team performance results. Not great for Hendricks, but worse for Cody. We haven't seen Cody have a good impact on team defensive performance.
Yeah but we all have eyes and can see Cody plays the best defense and makes the best rotations.
 
Yeah but we all have eyes and can see Cody plays the best defense and makes the best rotations.

Totally subjective, both in how good he is and how much that matters versus his flaws. That's fine, but eye test is eye test. Can't argue with someone that says something "because I said so" so we'll just agree to disagree.

We've definitely seen the coach go to him to guard the other team's best offensive player- so Hardy at least sees him pretty much as our only 'stopper' as long as he continues to refuse to play Harkless.

I'd agree that on ball defense is probably Cody's best attribute as a defender, but being the ace for the worst defense of all time (that doesn't get better with you) wins the world's smallest trophy.
 
I've said this about Key, Cody, and all the rest of our guys. I'll believe they are non terrible defenders when the results are non-terrible. Could put a lot of the blame on Hardy, but there's just so much to pass around when you're this bad.
 
One limited way to evaluate a young player’s development is to rely purely on box score stats. I tend to place more value on whether he consistently tries to make the right plays and has the physical tools to support that.

I’ve been more optimistic than most about Cody, but the Charlotte game was disappointing for me. His engagement level seemed lower, and he began to drift at times as a help defender. Defensive awareness had been a positive surprise for me earlier, but it didn’t show up here.
 
Mr. -60 Williams is one of the worst players I've ever seen in the NBA. He looks and plays like Goofy on the court and is absolutely clueless 90% of the time.

Bro has all the talent in the world (way more than his brother with the eye test) and a peanut for brains.

How and why we drafted him is something I don't care to know.
 
While my eyeball test tells be that Cody looks less terrible than some of the others, he isnt an "impact defender".

No lock down ability, low stocks, opponents shoot 2.5% better when he is the closest defender (similar number to Key and Brice)... basically the only defensive impact metric I can find where he doesnt absolutely suck is deflections per36. And even there the number is nothing to marvel at.

His defensive win shares are also just barely on the positive side of the axis and among the lowest in our team. We are 6-7 in games he hasnt played in and 7-18 with him. On/off stats also put him in in 14th percentile on defense and largely thanks to Cody Svi ranks in 89th percentile on that stat.

Some of this is "detached from context" but youd think there is even some glimmer of light somewhere...
 
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