Conley For Horford Discussion

[LoPo]

Sounds great... how much that gonna cost the Millers in Luxury tax? Because once you re-sign JC you are basically already there... then you don't get to use both exceptions as you are a taxpayer... so I believe you only have the taxpayer MLE or would be hardcapped at the apron once using the MLE.

Salary cap is projected to be flat next season so for now you can assume 109M and 133Mish for the luxury tax. I am telling you we will not go into the tax next season with potentially no fans for the first part or entire season. The little spending spree you went on likely just cost like $20-25M and revenue could be down up to 40%.

Please spare me the "millers will pay the tax... they have said so" because every owner says they will spend what it takes to support winning... when it comes time to write that check we shall see.

My offseason spending prediction is we will re-sign JC or use the MLE... if we do both we will salary dump Ed and Tony using draft assets.

Great post. Your numbers are correct. If we keep Conley and Davis, and sign Clarkson to his estimated price, and use the full MLE, we are a luxury team. So pretty much, we're the same team plus an MLE player. Don't think that warrants the luxury argument.

This is partly why the Horford idea is interesting. Horford makes $7 less than Conley next year. We could add Horford, future picks, Clarkson and a full MLE and still be under the luxury. Now in 21-22, we are in the luxury to keep Gobert and Mitchell, but that's a different conversation.

For 20-21 to stay under the luxury, it could be Horford, Clarkson, MLE and Philly assets OR Conley, Clarkson and minimum contract additions.

Can we please find somebody to take Davis?

 

[One Brow]

Sounds great... how much that gonna cost the Millers in Luxury tax? Because once you re-sign JC you are basically already there... then you don't get to use both exceptions as you are a taxpayer... so I believe you only have the taxpayer MLE or would be hardcapped at the apron once using the MLE.

Do you get treated as a Luxury Tax team before you ever pay the Tax? I don't think that is true.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Also when we don't sign anyone please don't be fooled by the DL talk of "we were aggressive but just didn't find anything that fit what we were after". It will be a cover for the fact we didn't want to overspend. In this environment I do not blame us at all.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Do you get treated as a Luxury Tax team before you ever pay the Tax? I don't think that is true.

What are you even asking friend? If you are a non-taxpayer but use cap exceptions to go into the tax, then you become hard capped at the apron.... roughly $7M more than the tax.

The bigger issue is signing JC and using the MLE will put us at the tax... so it costs $10M for the player and around $5-7M for the tax. Using both exceptions as outlined above would cost $14M in salary and like $10M in tax... you'd be hard capped and wouldn't be able to do the third move.

 

[GVC]

To be fed misinformation?

What crawled up your ***?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

What crawled up your ***?

Was probably kinda harsh but suggesting we will spend like drunken sailors in ways that aren't legal triggered my snark nerve I guess. I know you are pretty good with CBA stuff but what you suggested was incorrect.

 

[Bodhi]

To be fed misinformation?

Edit: nevermind.....Jesus

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Don’t ever @ me to keep some beef going with someone else.

Keep that little kid **** to yourself.

My bad bro... next time I'll just let you live in ignorance thinking something was correct. I sent an @ his way too.

It was overly snarky and @GVC is normally pretty solid on cap stuff. I gots no beef with him. Didn't want to see a million posts of "we can sign xyz guy with our exceptions" when it really is not feasible.

 

[Bodhi]

My bad bro... next time I'll just let you live in ignorance thinking something was correct. I sent an @ his way too.

It was overly snarky and @GVC is normally pretty solid on cap stuff. I gots no beef with him. Didn't want to see a million posts of "we can sign xyz guy with our exceptions" when it really is not feasible.

cool

 

[Shad]

Horford is terrible. He's shooting like 26% from the 3 in his last 10 games

 

[l Abach l]

Also when we don't sign anyone please don't be fooled by the DL talk of "we were aggressive but just didn't find anything that fit what we were after". It will be a cover for the fact we didn't want to overspend. In this environment I do not blame us at all.

Absolutely. Think of all the business verticals the Millers operate in... entertainment, media, theaters, car dealerships... just about every vertical (sans used car dealerships) is getting crushed right now. They must be bleeding cash. And this is after they cut 10% of its workforce.

I really wonder how bad it's getting.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Absolutely. Think of all the business verticals the Millers operate in... entertainment, media, theaters, car dealerships... just about every vertical (sans used car dealerships) is getting crushed right now. They must be bleeding cash. And this is after they cut 10% of its workforce.

I really wonder how bad it's getting.

Yup... although I hear car dealerships are actually doing quite well... that might be out where I live and not in Utah.