Coronavirus

[PJF]

 

[PJF]

As someone not from the US and with no dog in your internal political fights, I am baffled by the response of Trump and even more baffled there are people defending his actions. WTF is happening?

It looks like Trump's doing pretty well. Especially for how unprecedented this pandemic is. I have no doubt that Biden or Sanders would have been a complete disaster during this crisis.

 

[silesian]

We've gone to a 6 month shut down here and i think we're doing a much better job of managing this than you guys. But look you've got a point, its also about how much you value human life as a society.

I'm curious:

You in Australia?

When did the 6 month shut down start and when does it end?

 

[silesian]

According to Fox News, the main street media completely unnecessarily created panic by blowing COVID 19 out of proportion.

According to Fox News, the main street media completely dismissed and underplayed the risks of COVID 19

Got it.

 

[stitches]

It looks like Trump's doing pretty well. Especially for how unprecedented this pandemic is. I have no doubt that Biden or Sanders would have been a complete disaster during this crisis.

You realize the US just in the beginning of the curve, right? There is no overloading of the hospitals... yet. NY is projecting to hit the peak in 2-3 weeks. Then others will follow. Do you think this just will magically pass you by? Especially if you relax the measures for Easter... cuz... you know... people need to go to church for Easter and all... This is ludicrous.

 

[silesian]

so what should he say instead ?

Anything not stupid.

Just read a teleprompter from what non-stupid Governors are saying.

 

[silesian]

The question is more about if we should shut down driving for 40k lives. Now, I’m not suggesting that “lol 40k lives, who cares, lol,” but the fact that it would be a legitimate solution and it’s a question we haven’t asked, and one we’re comfortable not asking and ignoring because we wouldn’t want to live with the inconvenience it would cause to daily life.

Question is what can we do regarding public policy: make safer cars, lower speed limits, driver training, revoke licenses.

There is no decision point where one person driving or not driving can overwhelm a system and cause deaths to others, as will be happening in our hospitals over the next month.

So it is apples and oranges

 

[PJF]

You realize the US just in the beginning of the curve, right? There is no overloading of the hospitals... yet. NY is projecting to hit the peak in 2-3 weeks. Then others will follow. Do you think this just will magically pass you by? Especially if you relax the measures for Easter... cuz... you know... people need to go to church for Easter and all... This is ludicrous.

I did not say any of that BS. This is unprecedented. We have 5x the population of Italy so the numbers must take that into consideration. The President hopes the country can get moving again by Easter and will consult his medical consultants to see what can be done.

I would also add that New York has been a disaster with people partying in the streets as recently as last week and the spread of the disease there will be their own fault.

 

[silesian]

Most countries in the world have between 10 and 35 ventilators per capita.

I think you have a units problem 10 per capita would be ~4 billion respirators and one for every citizen with nine left over.

 

[stitches]

I think you have a units problem 10 per capita would be ~4 billion respirators and one for every citizen with nine left over.

Per capita is measurement meaning per 100 000 people. You have 35 respirators per 100000 people.

 

[silesian]

Per capita is measurement meaning per 100 000 people. You have 35 respirators per 100000 people.

Thanks for clarifying. FYI, per capita is defined as "per person"

 

[stitches]

Thanks for clarifying. FYI, per capita is defined as "per person"

Thanks... my bad on the confusion. I'm looking at different sources calling it different ways. I meant 35 per 100000.