Coronavirus

[One Brow]

that's not real ?? I've yet to hear one public health official urge people to lose a little weight if they can and eat healthier.

I'm sorry, but you must live in an alternative universe. I've been hearing that advice for my entire life.

Which has a real, measurable effect on Covid outcome.

Not getting covid19, or getting a much milder case, has an even larger effect on outcomes.

I would much rather hear this than health officials urge young healthy people to get a fourth or fifth Covid vaccine.

I'd much rather they encourage interventions that actually work. When as the last time advocating for lower weight and a healthier diet worked?

 

[LogGrad98]

Obesity, Race/Ethnicity, and COVID-19

Having obesity increases risk of severe illness from COVID-19.

www.cdc.gov

From the CDC

Obesity Worsens Outcomes from COVID-19​

Adults with excess weight are at even greater risk during the COVID-19 pandemic:

• Having obesity increases the risk of severe illness from COVID-19. People who are overweight may also be at increased risk.
• Having obesity may triple the risk of hospitalization due to a COVID-19 infection.
• Obesity is linked to impaired immune function.2,3
• Obesity decreases lung capacity and reserve and can make ventilation more difficult.4
• A study of COVID-19 cases suggests that risks of hospitalization, intensive care unit admission, invasive mechanical ventilation, and death are higher with increasing BMI.5
  • The increased risk for hospitalization or death was particularly pronounced in those under age 65. 5
• More than 900,000 adult COVID-19 hospitalizations occurred in the United States between the beginning of the pandemic and November 18, 2020. Models estimate that 271,800 (30.2%) of these hospitalizations were attributed to obesity.6

Children diagnosed with obesity may suffer worse outcomes from COVID-19. In a study of COVID-19 cases in patients aged 18 years and younger, having obesity was associated with a 3.07 times higher risk of hospitalization and a 1.42 times higher risk of severe illness (intensive care unit admission, invasive mechanical ventilation, or death) when hospitalized.7

From the AMA

The bad news—and the good—about obesity and COVID-19

Learn with the AMA how patients’ experiences of the pandemic are giving physicians a fresh opportunity to tackle a longstanding disease.

www.ama-assn.org

“If we look at the prevalence of obesity based upon 2018 numbers, which is the latest that we see from the CDC, we know that 42.4% of U.S. adults have the disease of obesity. That's almost half,” said Fatima Cody Stanford, MD, MPH, assistant professor of medicine and pediatrics at Harvard Medical School. She added that many people have seen their weight increase during the pandemic, “so that 42.4% may actually be significantly closer to 50%.”

In addition, it’s often thought that kids are much less susceptible to COVID-19, but here again overweight plays a role. Children experiencing bad outcomes often have obesity, requiring ventilation or extracorporeal membrane oxygenation, or ECMO.

“This is an issue across the age spectrum,” she said.

So just searching for weight and covid gets you a dozen such articles right up front. They have never hidden the fact that obesity tends to make COVID worse. It is one of the first things I can remember reading about in 2020 when this all kicked off, that obese people are dying at a much higher rate.



I will say I do not agree with the characterization of obesity as a disease. I know in some individuals it is an issue of hormonal irregularities and other genetic factors outside of the individual's control. And frankly just due to our evolution we are all fat-gaining machines genetically, it is how we survived bouts of foodlessness. But I can see a lot of people sitting in the parking lot at McDonald's saying "see, it isn't my fault, it's a disease". Is it hard to deal with? Absolutely. Does it take real effort to keep yourself at a healthy weight, or at least as healthy as you can be? Absolutely. But I feel that this kind of characterization just exacerbates the situation as it removes the role of personal accountability. I took my obesity to heart, and I have some issues that directly affect it, like chronic pain, extensive surgical history, and history of mental health issues (depression) all of which are shown to increase instances of obesity. But my wife decided to get surgery to get on top of her weight issues, and I chose to follow suit. Yes, we definitely need to fix the issues of cost in our food supply chain, and find a way to get people better access to better food, when it is way cheaper to buy a hamburger every day than to buy vegetables. But it just rubs me the wrong way to hear obesity characterized as first and foremost a disease. It isn't something you catch, and unlike cancer, obesity is completely reversible with simple effort (yes simple, I never said it is easy).

Anyway that is a discussion for another day probably in a different thread.

 

[Bucknutz]

The science is clear on the vaccines, how they work, and whether they work. If they take an extra 6 months to perform RCTs on every revision, that's lives lost and the virus has already mutated again.

RCTs are good evidence, but there are many types of evidence, and you shouldn't let people die while obsessing over RCTS.

You skipped over the part of "We know we can prevent nearly every death from covid if people get their updated vaccines”

This is not accurate and absolutely misinformation. The vaccines do not prevent “nearly every death”. Yes it helps prevent death, I agree, but not nearly every death. This is coming straight from the administration. This is why you have open debate and voices from all sides of arguments.
If it prevents nearly ever death then more people wouldn’t have vaccine hesitancy. People look at the data and see well it doesn’t stop me from transmitting it, doesn’t stop me from getting it, it doesn’t stop death, then I guess I will take my chances. If it actually did “nearly” stop transmission or “nearly” stop death there would be a higher usage.

Does it help, yes it does. Why can’t people just be honest about things.

 

[One Brow]

You skipped over the part of "We know we can prevent nearly every death from covid if people get their updated vaccines”

This is not accurate and absolutely misinformation. The vaccines do not prevent “nearly every death”. Yes it helps prevent death, I agree, but not nearly every death. This is coming straight from the administration. This is why you have open debate and voices from all sides of arguments.

So, your disagreement is that you don't like the precision level of the phrase "nearly every"? The percentage of fully vaccinated who succumb to covid19 is an order of magnitude lower than those who are unvaccinated. If someone refers to saving 90% as "nearly every", I'm not going to quibble.

United States: COVID-19 weekly death rate by vaccination status

Death rates are calculated as the number of deaths in each group, divided by the total number of people in this group. This is given per 100,000 people.

ourworldindata.org

If it prevents nearly ever death then more people wouldn’t have vaccine hesitancy.

Vaccine "hesitancy" is over 100 years old. People objected to vaccinating for smallpox, polio, measles, meningitis, etc. When these vaccines prove wildly successful, people attribute it to other factors and still object to vaccines. Vaccine "hesitancy" is not based on rational consideration of the numbers (the CDC does the rational consideration). It's based on emotional appeal.

Does it help, yes it does. Why can’t people just be honest about things.

I don't consider equating 'stopping 90%' and "nearly every" to be dishonest. YMMV.

 

[fishonjazz]

Good luck! The initial shots from moderna made me pretty sick. But they’ve all decreased each time in making me sick. This last time I got Pfizer because Costco didn’t have anymore Moderna and it wasn’t anything. I got the flu shot and Covid booster. All I had was a slightly sore arm for a day. Got it Thursday afternoon and Popped 2 Advils Friday morning and was on my way. Didn’t miss any work and I worked out Friday afternoon. By Saturday evening, even my slightly sore arm was barely noticeable.

Haven’t gotten sick (knock on wood) either.

I’m glad we live at a time where vaccines exist and I’m not getting sick with stuff that would’ve been prevented or made far less severe with a 3 min visit to the grocery store.

Ya the last two boosters i got didn't effect me at all. The flu shot I got in november didn't even give a sore arm. No side effects whatsoever. Im not worried in the slightest about getting another booster.

 

[FalseFlagg K]

Ya the last two boosters i got didn't effect me at all. The flu shot I got in november didn't even give a sore arm. No side effects whatsoever. Im not worried in the slightest about getting another booster.

What if your daughter was 16 and after vaxx / booster her periods were considerably heavier for 6 months ? And the same as her sister. And most of their friends reported the same thing. And your wife who hadn’t had a period for 3 years suddenly starts having them again. Would that giver you any cause for concern ?

 

[FalseFlagg K]

Yet

I'm sorry, but you must live in an alternative universe. I've been hearing that advice for my entire life.


Not getting covid19, or getting a much milder case, has an even larger effect on outcomes.


I'd much rather they encourage interventions that actually work. When as the last time advocating for lower weight and a healthier diet worked?

again you’ve deliberately ? misrepresented my comment. I reiterated I meant during Covid health advice during the pandemic. Have you heard Dr Fauci or anyone of his ilk refer to this specifically as it relates to Covid outcomes. Have you heard one mention of Vitamin D in such a setting ?

 

[FalseFlagg K]

Im getting the latest booster next week btw. im also already very very healthy anyways. Cant hurt to get more protection though.

What extra protection exactly and for how long do you think this is effective ?

 

[FalseFlagg K]

I got a very stern warning for what I said to you before. I took my punishment and have avoided engaging with you. I am now ignoring you and will no longer engage with you. I like you in general, but on this topic I find your disinformation and distortions to be infuriating as you are contributing to the loss of human life. That's enough for me to disengage and not interact with your willfully ignorant content.

Enjoy contributing to the loss of human lives. I wish you no success whatsoever.

Dude I actually like you, I admire your passion & intentions. . I think you may not be getting exactly what I’m on about, it’s hard to have everything clearly explained in a short post. I dare say the Covid situations have been quite different in the US to hear so for that I’m probably guilty of not explaining properly.

I truly think you’re misunderstanding what I’m trying to get at and your “contributing to people dying is a little irrational and melodramatic” which is a shame. I wish you nothing but good fortune and good health. If you’d like to have a discussion via PM I’m more that happy to try to clarify things for you.

 

[fishonjazz]

What if your daughter was 16 and after vaxx / booster her periods were considerably heavier for 6 months ? And the same as her sister. And most of their friends reported the same thing. And your wife who hadn’t had a period for 3 years suddenly starts having them again. Would that giver you any cause for concern ?

Well i mean my sisters both got vaccinated. My mom got vaccinated. 5 of my neices got vaccinated. I have female friends who got vaccinated. No issues.

What if i took a bite of my breakfast and choked and died this morning!


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[fishonjazz]

What extra protection exactly and for how long do you think this is effective ?

Its been effective so far so im gonna keep going with it. (I havent had covid yet)
It costs me nothing. Might as well.


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[LogGrad98]

Well i mean my sisters both got vaccinated. My mom got vaccinated. 5 of my neices got vaccinated. I have female friends who got vaccinated. No issues.

What if i took a bite of my breakfast and choked and died this morning!


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Well, I'd miss you fish. Also, I would appreciate it if you would leave my your fishing gear.