They were recommending these drugs on our local news tonight.
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This seems alarming to me, especially since reading reports of the risk of death if too much is taken.
https://www.deseret.com/utah/2020/3...hloroquine-chloroquine-malaria-treatment-utah
SALT LAKE CITY — Utahns who pass an online screening would be able to get malaria drugs at a pharmacy to treat the new coronavirus under a standing order currently being drafted, Utah Department of Health Deputy Director Dr. Marc E. Babitz said Monday.
“I’ve seen enough evidence of benefits to make it worth trying,” Babitz, a family physician, told the Deseret News, adding he doesn’t agree with critics who say there hasn’t been enough study yet on the use of hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine in treating the symptoms of COVID-19.
“In a situation like this that we’re in today, I disagree with my academic colleagues. If we weren’t in a crisis, if this wasn’t a major concern, a worldwide pandemic, I’d say, ‘You know what, let’s wait. Let’s wait. Let’s find some people who have this. Let’s do that double-blind, placebo controlled, they call it crossover trial,’” he said.
The drugs, also used to treat lupus and rheumatoid arthritis, don’t prevent someone from catching the deadly virus, but for those that have it, Babitz said, “there’s some preliminary evidence that it will slow things down to give your body a chance to develop better immunity and help prevent complications.”
The standing order, which would need to be signed by the health department’s executive director, Dr. Joseph Miner, would allow Utahns to bypass their own doctors and use a new online screening tool that’s still being finalized to determine if they can receive the drugs directly from a pharmacist, Babitz said.
Currently, the drugs can be prescribed for off-label use. President Donald Trump has urged they be deployed, comments that have sparked panic-buying and overdoses around the world, as well as warnings about their use in combating the effects of the virus, according to a report by the Wall Street Journal published Monday.
But Babitz said the drugs would be taken for between five and seven days and have a “very, very low” risk for patients. He said the health department still has to resolve legal issues between the state and the company that runs the screening tool, as well as details of how this would work with pharmacies.
“We need to do it responsibly, so there are issues. But we’re working as hard as we can to iron them out. Our goal actually was to have the documents signed today,” he said. Besides the standing order for the medicines to be dispensed, there needs to be an emergency rule in place and a memorandum of understanding with the company.
A spokeswoman for Gov. Gary Herbert said an announcement could come this week.
Senate President Stuart Adams, R-Layton, is also backing what he sees as a way to ease the pandemic’s strain on hospitals as the number of cases in Utah continues to climb. Adams and a group of state and business leaders held a news conference last week about the potential of the drugs.
“We need some good news. We need some hope. I believe this is good news,” he said.
Dan Richards, a pharmacist who has helped put together the plan for getting the drugs to Utahns, said close to $1 million has been spent acquiring the raw chemical powder that can be compounded into the drug. For now, he said, it’s a humanitarian effort.
“We’ll figure it out on the back end,” said Richards, the owner of Meds in Motion, a chain of pharmacies with five locations in Utah. “We are not a state-appointed, organized task force. We are just a bunch of people who raised our hands and said something had to be done.”
He acknowledged there is some doubt about the drugs.
“Not everyone’s on board yet and that’s tough,” Richards said, adding there just isn’t enough time for the usual medical studies. “This is not the cure. This is not the solution. This is the best available treatment based on the knowledge we have.”
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https://www.deseret.com/utah/2020/3...hloroquine-chloroquine-malaria-treatment-utah
SALT LAKE CITY — Utahns who pass an online screening would be able to get malaria drugs at a pharmacy to treat the new coronavirus under a standing order currently being drafted, Utah Department of Health Deputy Director Dr. Marc E. Babitz said Monday.
“I’ve seen enough evidence of benefits to make it worth trying,” Babitz, a family physician, told the Deseret News, adding he doesn’t agree with critics who say there hasn’t been enough study yet on the use of hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine in treating the symptoms of COVID-19.
“In a situation like this that we’re in today, I disagree with my academic colleagues. If we weren’t in a crisis, if this wasn’t a major concern, a worldwide pandemic, I’d say, ‘You know what, let’s wait. Let’s wait. Let’s find some people who have this. Let’s do that double-blind, placebo controlled, they call it crossover trial,’” he said.
The drugs, also used to treat lupus and rheumatoid arthritis, don’t prevent someone from catching the deadly virus, but for those that have it, Babitz said, “there’s some preliminary evidence that it will slow things down to give your body a chance to develop better immunity and help prevent complications.”
The standing order, which would need to be signed by the health department’s executive director, Dr. Joseph Miner, would allow Utahns to bypass their own doctors and use a new online screening tool that’s still being finalized to determine if they can receive the drugs directly from a pharmacist, Babitz said.
Currently, the drugs can be prescribed for off-label use. President Donald Trump has urged they be deployed, comments that have sparked panic-buying and overdoses around the world, as well as warnings about their use in combating the effects of the virus, according to a report by the Wall Street Journal published Monday.
But Babitz said the drugs would be taken for between five and seven days and have a “very, very low” risk for patients. He said the health department still has to resolve legal issues between the state and the company that runs the screening tool, as well as details of how this would work with pharmacies.
“We need to do it responsibly, so there are issues. But we’re working as hard as we can to iron them out. Our goal actually was to have the documents signed today,” he said. Besides the standing order for the medicines to be dispensed, there needs to be an emergency rule in place and a memorandum of understanding with the company.
A spokeswoman for Gov. Gary Herbert said an announcement could come this week.
Senate President Stuart Adams, R-Layton, is also backing what he sees as a way to ease the pandemic’s strain on hospitals as the number of cases in Utah continues to climb. Adams and a group of state and business leaders held a news conference last week about the potential of the drugs.
“We need some good news. We need some hope. I believe this is good news,” he said.
Dan Richards, a pharmacist who has helped put together the plan for getting the drugs to Utahns, said close to $1 million has been spent acquiring the raw chemical powder that can be compounded into the drug. For now, he said, it’s a humanitarian effort.
“We’ll figure it out on the back end,” said Richards, the owner of Meds in Motion, a chain of pharmacies with five locations in Utah. “We are not a state-appointed, organized task force. We are just a bunch of people who raised our hands and said something had to be done.”
He acknowledged there is some doubt about the drugs.
“Not everyone’s on board yet and that’s tough,” Richards said, adding there just isn’t enough time for the usual medical studies. “This is not the cure. This is not the solution. This is the best available treatment based on the knowledge we have.”
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I have been in Shanghai for more than a week so here's what they are doing. You will scan a qr code and register for quarantine in the compound you live in. If you violate your 14 day quarantine they will know, they can track you tru your phone. They sometimes have a device in installed on your door, when you open it it will alert the security then they'll call you or be at your doorstep.
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There's is no cure, but I suspect, in severe cases among younger Americans, simply staying at home when they discover they are losing their ability to breath, might not lead to the best case ending. I'm not sure how easy it is to self administer a ventilator at home?
Red
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Who was it that said "evil is banal?" ( It was, of course, Hannah Arendt ).
If Trump does this, and many more Americans die, we can be certain that Trump will, once more say "I am not responsible for any of this at all" After the fact. I know, personally, in the months leading to the 2016 election, I often thought "evil is banal, and Donald Trump is both banal AND evil". I did not see this pandemic coming, but I felt certain something would happen, if he were elected, that would show everyone exactly how evil.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/23/business/trump-coronavirus-economy.html
“Our country wasn’t built to be shut down,” Mr. Trump said during a briefing at the White House. “America will, again, and soon, be open for business. Very soon. A lot sooner than three or four months that somebody was suggesting. Lot sooner. We cannot let the cure be worse than the problem itself....."
......“You can’t call off the best weapon we have, which is social isolation, even out of economic desperation, unless you’re willing to be responsible for a mountain of deaths,” said Arthur Caplan, a professor of bioethics at NYU Langone Medical Center. “Thirty days makes more sense than 15 days. Can’t we try to put people’s lives first for at least a month?”
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We need to shut down the economy for 30 days and tell everyone it is 30 days, not 31, not 32. Not just certain areas, everywhere. If you contain the outbreak in Pennsylvania and not Ohio, it is not easy to see the outcome. Unless people are idiots, this will flatten the curve.
Part of the announcement, we announce the "economy restart" plan with a specific timeline starting on day 31.
During the 30 days:
Part of the announcement, we announce the "economy restart" plan with a specific timeline starting on day 31.
During the 30 days:
- conduct massive testing
- develop industry-specific and company-specific mitigation plans that limit spreading and restart business.
- Keep social distancing, but people are back to work
- Keep high risk people at home until we have a vaccine and give them financial assistance
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Dude we're locked down for 6 months and our healthcare system ***** on yours from a great height. Look at 6 to 9 months of shutdown, plan for it now.
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@fishonjazz But isn't that the role of government for times like these? We shouldn't have to choose between economic prosperity and public health. Right now the issue is the pandemic. The government can and should step in to keep the economy afloat as much as possible. Otherwise, what's the point of this stimulus/bailout/whatever you want to call it worth trillions?
Other countries have figured this out. Why can't we?
If our safety net is so poor, lets fix it.
But ignoring these issues and telling people, "aw shucks. Make sacrifices, death is necessary to keep up the stock market. Get back to work." seems:
a) Defeatist
b) Extremely short-sighted
Other countries have figured this out. Why can't we?
If our safety net is so poor, lets fix it.
But ignoring these issues and telling people, "aw shucks. Make sacrifices, death is necessary to keep up the stock market. Get back to work." seems:
a) Defeatist
b) Extremely short-sighted
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As we know, the president invoked the Defense Production Act, but has not utilized it as yet. As to why, this may be why:
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/03/donald-trump-defense-production-act
Yes, according to the New York Times, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and heads of major corporations have “lobbied the administration against using the act,” arguing that it could impose “red tape” on companies at a time when they need the government out of their hair. Unsurprisingly, free market die-hard Larry Kudlow,i.e., Trump’s never-right National Economic Council director, was “persuaded” by such arguments, as was Trump’s not-very-bright son-in-law, Jared Kushner.Instead the Trump Brain Trust has insisted that it can just convince businesses to help bridge the shortfall of vital medical supplies without making a formal demand, an initiative that thus far has had predictable results:
The government has essentially thrown out its existing playbook for dealing with pandemics, seizing the issue from the Department of Health and Human Services and moving it to the Federal Emergency Management Agency. But it is far from clear that the effort to enlist companies like General Motors, Apple, and Hanes, just a few of the firms that have promised to free up existing supplies of masks or repurpose 3D printers to produce ventilator parts, constitutes an effective strategy.....
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So, NY Gov. Cuomo just completed his daily briefing. It was his most scathing review to date of the federal response to the needs of his state: He needs 30,000 ventilators, and FEMA just promised him 400.
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-...s-30000-ventilators-pleads-with-feds-for-help
Cuomo: "you pick the 26,000 people who are going to die because you only sent 400 ventilators".
(His math is off, but the message is clear).
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/03/donald-trump-defense-production-act
Yes, according to the New York Times, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and heads of major corporations have “lobbied the administration against using the act,” arguing that it could impose “red tape” on companies at a time when they need the government out of their hair. Unsurprisingly, free market die-hard Larry Kudlow,i.e., Trump’s never-right National Economic Council director, was “persuaded” by such arguments, as was Trump’s not-very-bright son-in-law, Jared Kushner.Instead the Trump Brain Trust has insisted that it can just convince businesses to help bridge the shortfall of vital medical supplies without making a formal demand, an initiative that thus far has had predictable results:
The government has essentially thrown out its existing playbook for dealing with pandemics, seizing the issue from the Department of Health and Human Services and moving it to the Federal Emergency Management Agency. But it is far from clear that the effort to enlist companies like General Motors, Apple, and Hanes, just a few of the firms that have promised to free up existing supplies of masks or repurpose 3D printers to produce ventilator parts, constitutes an effective strategy.....
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So, NY Gov. Cuomo just completed his daily briefing. It was his most scathing review to date of the federal response to the needs of his state: He needs 30,000 ventilators, and FEMA just promised him 400.
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-...s-30000-ventilators-pleads-with-feds-for-help
Cuomo: "you pick the 26,000 people who are going to die because you only sent 400 ventilators".
(His math is off, but the message is clear).
Wanna bet?
Jazzmix
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Belgium has been in lockdown since around a week and today it's a second consecutive day with considerably less new cases. I hope it's going to be a steady trend. We are lucky here to have much higher capacity of intensive units than the european average, ironically it has been criticised before as a waste of money..