sahlensguy
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We are not immune and there is no vaccine. The crashing economy is devastating, but until the government gets a handle on the spread of the virus, the economy is going nowhere.
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I just think we're applying a standard to risk that our society has never had before.
We never really cared that people were certainly going to die because of behaviors that we all engage in that could be done differently to prevent the vast majority of those deaths.
We never really cared that people were certainly going to die because of behaviors that we all engage in that could be done differently to prevent the vast majority of those deaths.
sahlensguy
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Fair or unfair, the economy won't get back on track before the pandemic is largely contained. If you agree, then what is the best path for containment? It isn't opening the economy imo.
New things are opening back up and other things have been open the entire time.
I'm not really looking at this from an economic standpoint.
And I'm not really advocating for anything. I thought it was silly that OB seemed to be purposefully ignoring the point whoever else was making. I can understand the argument for largely opening back up with precautions in place. I mean that's 90% where we are right now.
The infection rate in Utah has been really low. Yes, the measures taken are absolutely part of why that is. We've been partially reopened since May 1st and the numbers have been steady. I'm expecting an increase but so far it isn't happening.
Again, I just think we are applying a standard for risk that is completely abnormal in our society.
The example I was going to make above was in regard to driving. It is absolutely possible for our society to function under a strictly enforced 20mph speed limit. They could dictate that auto manufacturers place hard limits on the top speed of any vehicle to 20mph. That would almost completely eliminate traffic deaths. It would also mean that much smaller engines that operate extremely efficiently could be used. That much less pollution, that much less resource need.
But we don't do that. Not only are speed limits much higher than that (70mph on most freeways in the Salt Lake Valley, even higher in rural areas) but speeding is the norm. We are making a decision as a society to accept traffic deaths. Innocent people get killed by others every single day on our roads. We are fine with that.
Look at the logic being used in regard to COVID-19 in this thread and just imagine if we applied that standard to our roadways. We'd all be driving 20mph all the time. But as a society we are okay with deaths because we don't want to drive that slow.
sahlensguy
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You aren't advocating for anything in this post, or for any remedy to the end of this mess?
Perhaps those that say to open things back up aren't really advocating for that as a means to an end either. they just want to argue their point.
And I agree, speeding is out of control. Parleys and I-15 is ridiculous, both before and after the start of the stay at home orders. Where is everyone going so fast to? Slow down, obey the limits and smell the roses.
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Am we supposed to feel compassion for these classless morons?
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candrew
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In all fairness they're from Long Island.
I believe you're legally obligated to be a douche bag to live there.
Red
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Yesterday was laundry day, and that’s my job. I am very high risk, but ya gotta do what ya gotta do. Mask and gloves, off I go. I am about 10 seconds away from closing the lid on the washing machine, and leaving to take my exercise walk while my clothes are washed. Guy decides to use the machine next to mine, stands within a foot of me, no mask. Sign on door clearly states do not enter laundromat without a mask. I lost it, and chewed him out loudly: “who the **** do you think you are, and wtf are you doing!?”. Of course, now he’s pissed at me, and I could have been more polite. But, that ain’t me. I speak my mind. I was acting responsibly. The mask I’m wearing protects others. I expect the same consideration from others, and I will not be silent when **** like that happens. But, I did apologize to the attendant for causing a scene, once I was calm again, and heading home.
Masks are mandatory in a public space in RI, indoors and out. Out biking or walking by yourself, you can leave the mask off. I will practice social distancing and wear a mask until there is a vaccine. My state leads in % of population tested, about 10% now, and in contact tracing.
sahlensguy
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That sucks!
I was standing in line for a coffee this winter, when the guy behind me caughed unaware enough to blow the hair on my head. I turned and said DUDE!
It's going to take take for many people to change their consciuosnesses though... Many never will. Only a few months ago the occasional Asian would walk through the SL airport with a mask. It wasn't always my first thought that they were wearing a mask mostly for safety of other people.
same thing with people's willingness to stay at home or social distance at laundromats. They are not doing it mostly for themselves but rather for the good of others. Many will never get it.
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My previous response was a little terse, so I wanted to expand upon it by analogy. Every time we drive, we are risking our lives and the lives of other people on the road. That doesn't stop us from driving, but it should be enough to make sure we keep ourselves and our car in a reasonably maximized condition of safety (don't drive when drunk or angry, the car is in good repair, etc.). Similarly, every time you go out, you should be acting in a way that reasonably maximizes the safety to other people regarding this communicable disease.