Coronavirus

[fishonjazz]

View attachment 11344It doesn’t look like a business has a choice. It seems like over the last few pages people are arguing over if a business has the right to require vaccinations. Both the business and the person might not have a choice, decided by the federal government.

There is still choice. More than a couple in fact
A. Get vaccinated
B. Dont get vaccinated and take covid tests
C. Work someplace that requires neither testing or vaccines
D. Dont work.


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[fishonjazz]

Who’s paying for the test?

I have been tested like 5 times. All combined it cost me about zero dollars


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[fishonjazz]

Forcing companies to pay for extra sick time for vaccinations. Single occurrence penalties of up to $13,600. $136,000 penalties for employers that don’t agree.
Forcing businesses to police their employers.

This isn’t a business policy, it’s the federal government making policies. This can force businesses to spend more money, money they might not be able to pay, coming back from lock downs.

Kinda similar to state government making kids get vaccinated to go to school and federal government making military get vaccinated. And making me wear a seatbelt or face the consequences. Totally unprecedented stuff


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[fishonjazz]

This is what I was taking about. Why vaccinate when a promising anti-Viral pill that has a 90% effect on an an unvaccinated person. Especially when the vaccine drops in effectiveness over a few months. https://www.latimes.com/science/sto...-effectiveness-of-covid-19-vaccines?_amp=true

Annual/Bi-Annual Covid booster or a pill?
This is a winning product and something more people in the nation would be willing to take.

It’s been over a year thriller…you sound like the same people who keep complaining about Obama.

But that pill is new!!!!!! Have to wait 20 years to see the long term effects tbh. Now excuse while i take my prozac, viagra, blood pressure medicine etc (all of which i have no idea what it will do to me in 20 years)


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[Bucknutz]

You do realize that someone not getting vaccinated leads to other peoples death right?

This is false information. Just because you get the vaccine doesn’t mean you can not spread Covid.

71% of Vermont is vaccinated, the highest state in the country. It has 4 times the amount of cases and deaths per capita than Florida.

Study shows dramatic decline in effectiveness of all three COVID-19 vaccines over time

A study of 780,000 veterans shows a dramatic decline in effectiveness for all three COVID-19 vaccines in use in the U.S.

www.latimes.com

Also vaccines stop working that well over a short time…

 

[Archie Moses]

Is it also my personal business if i take a gun somewhere and start shooting?
You do realize that someone not getting vaccinated leads to other peoples death right?


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I get it, my man.

I still will keep my opinion but understand your points too.

Being fired or let go has wrecked a lot of people's lives.

If someone says they don't wanna get vaccinated for religious purposes, I'll respect and defend that. I'm not religious at all too.

The virus blows. It's gonna run its course. Responsible people will help, but not prevent. I'm 99% sure I got it twice and had two terrible experiences.

The first, I was in the Grand Tetons and was beyond lethargic and felt sick. I woke up in my hotel, in the middle of the night drenched in sweat and shaking. I've never experienced that before.

A few weeks ago I had a migraine, sinus pressure, the sniffles and felt like absolute trash. I did the self test at Walgreens or CVS (I always mix them up) and admittedly, I don't like sticking things up my nose. Lol

My test came back negative so who knows? I just have never felt like that. Next thing I know my kid and his mom tested positive.

I have the worst luck, trust me.

Didn't mean to quote you twice.

Is it also my personal business if i take a gun somewhere and start shooting?
You do realize that someone not getting vaccinated leads to other peoples death right?


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[One Brow]

Yes because a retail business that doesn’t have a hand washing sign, you’re fined $136,000 an occurrence or $13,600. Just another garbage response.
Vaccines are free? Sick time at some businesses are personal days (used for both).
100 employees is not a large employer, this is still a small business size.
Put some effort in your responses,

I put in all the effort your nonsense required. Your concerns are overblown, whining silliness.

This is false information. Just because you get the vaccine doesn’t mean you can not spread Covid

It means you'll be much less likely to spread covid19, because you'll be less likely to catch it, it will be less severe when you do, and it won't last as long. In the real world, making a bad thing 60-70% less likely has value.

71% of Vermont is vaccinated, the highest state in the country. It has 4 times the amount of cases and deaths per capita than Florida.

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covid.cdc.gov

Florida has 275 deaths per 100K, and 17K cases/100K. Vermont has 58 deaths per 100K, and 6K cases. That's pretty close to the reverse of what you claimed.

Also vaccines stop working that well over a short time…

A reduction from 90% to 70% still provides a large level of protection.

 

[One Brow]

Not necessarily. The United States wiped out Polio using medicated sugar cubes.

I presume you mean oral vaccinations?

 

[Bucknutz]

I put in all the effort your nonsense required. Your concerns are overblown, whining silliness.

This is non sense, to not be in favor of the Federal Government forcing people to take a vaccine to work? Why do they not force people who are on unemployment or get government assistance to be mandated as well?

It means you'll be much less likely to spread covid19, because you'll be less likely to catch it, it will be less severe when you do, and it won't last as long. In the real world, making a bad thing 60-70% less likely has value.

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covid.cdc.gov

Florida has 275 deaths per 100K, and 17K cases/100K. Vermont has 58 deaths per 100K, and 6K cases. That's pretty close to the reverse of what you claimed.

Please do a bit of research of what is happening over the last month or so. Florida (59.9%)is down and Vermont is up, even though 71.5% are vaccinated.

A reduction from 90% to 70% still provides a large level of protection.

I’m not arguing that the vaccine doesn’t protect, I’m saying that you can still get and also pass it on when vaccinated. I’m for the vaccine and I’m also for the new pill.
I just believe that more people would rather take a pill once they get sick, then be mandated by the Federal Government to be vaccinated to work.

 

[Archie Moses]

My whole point is, and I get other's points while you make super great points. I hope both mine and yours will educate people.

The virus sucks/blows, and maybe I'm wrong.

I love people. :/

I keep getting reset or kicked out.

 

[TheGoldStandard]

This is non sense, to not be in favor of the Federal Government forcing people to take a vaccine to work? Why do they not force people who are on unemployment or get government assistance to be mandated as well?

Please do a bit of research of what is happening over the last month or so. Florida (59.9%)is down and Vermont is up, even though 71.5% are vaccinated.

I’m not arguing that the vaccine doesn’t protect, I’m saying that you can still get and also pass it on when vaccinated. I’m for the vaccine and I’m also for the new pill.
I just believe that more people would rather take a pill once they get sick, then be mandated by the Federal Government to be vaccinated to work.

At this point, pretty much everyone will get COVID at some point. The question, is, how protected will you be, and will it result in our hospitals being overwhelmed? We have seen a lot of death, and there are still a large number of people that are unvaccinated or never had Covid.

While the large majority (87.4% of eligible people) of Vermont is vaccinated, 80% of hospitalizations are for those that are unvaccinated, and 84% of ICU patients. The state of Vermont is reporting that unvaccinated people in Vermont are contracting Covid at a rate 5x higher than the vaccine.

It is not a successful argument to say the vaccine does not work. Not a 100% effective, no it is not, but the flu vaccine is only 36% successful at preventing death. I doubt we will ever have a vaccine that is 100% effective at stopping a coronavirus, but the current vaccines do an amazing job at preventing death, hospitalization and morbidities. So while we would still have cases if everyone was vaccinated, the hospitalizations would drop dramatically, and we could get back to a semblance of normal.

We tried that a bit in July, and it was premature as too many were still unvaccinated.

If a pill can do a similar job at preventing death, then great, but it isn't widely circulated yet, and is still largely unproven. I don't care how we get out of the pandemic. I just care we get out of it as soon as reasonably possible while minimizing death. To date, the vaccine is the no-brainer, except for those with no brains. The data on safety, prevention of death and morbidities is clear. Everything else is just noise.

 

[Archie Moses]

So I can go into work naked without fear of repercussions?

I can pleasure myself in the breakroom without fear of repercussions?

I can not use mandatory PPE without fear of repercussions?

You are redefining what freedom means for this specific issue while not applying that concept of freedom to MANY other workplace issues that have to do with what people do with their bodies.

Like I mentioned, I'm in the interview process for a job that is going to make me take a drug test. Is that a violation of my freedom? They are going to force me to provide a sample of my body to study so that they can determine my personal activities that happen during my private time.

They are going to force me to take a physical so they can learn about the functionality of my body, if I have any injuries, if I'm disabled. Is that a violation of my freedom?

Or is it just vaccines that exist in this special category of freedom?

You're making arguments that I'm not making, my man.

Again, I may be wrong on this, but so may you.

It all comes down to perspective and reality.

Again, I support the vaccine. It's crazy af to me how many people are suddenly supporting big pharma.

Call me or show me wrong, but I remember you defending CNN and them being unbiased.

I'm certainly not a smart guy and admit it. I'm fascinated in learning and educatiing myself though.