FalseFlagg K
Well-Known Member
You better be real specific when talking about accusing someone of lying mate. It reflects very very poorly on you. Covid is not a uniform disease. The age and health status of individuals are by far and away the biggest factors in the average outcome of having a case of Covid, and are you aware that someone's health and age status also play a significant role in how well that person responds and what immunity is generated in response to receiving a vaccine ?? There is a lot of interpretation regarding these matters and i may have a different point of view than you and take into different factors than you. A lot of this is not a binary issue, there are so many variables. You may be talking about purely antibody levels with regard to boosters, i'm talking about the overall immune response. Are there studies discussing the potential of antibody dependence effect with these vaccines yet ? There is a lot of concern amongst a lot of specialists in the field. Do the booster studies now take into account the much milder nature of Omicron as opposed to delta ?? Why is there so little credit given to natural immunity post Covid when it has always been granted with other diseases ?? There are so many things that cannot be given a full evaluatation due to the constant flux of this pandemic and ethical considerations. For instance, the Pfizer CEO says very specifically that his vaccine offers "little to no" resistance against Omicron and that they're working on a specific booster that might be ready in March ... but hey take another booster now after as little as 3 months. Boosters given so frequently goes against the prinicples of vaccination established for years and years.
Does it not concern you that in one year we've gone from statements that the vaccine will give you 100 % protection against infection and transmission, through rare breakthrough infections but little transmission to well you won't go to hospital but you might transmit it, to well now you won't die but you'll transmit the hell out of it ..... etc ??? Again for the slow of wit among us (that's not you btw) i and my family are double vaccinated. My mum is old so she's had a booster. But from what i see now i am going to seriously think about whether i will or won't get a booster when i'm due which is April. I'm currently leaning to not, as the evidence here thus far is that unless you really are vulnerable health wise or age wise this variant is rather mild and certainly not with the current jabs which were designed for the original variant. And i think there is a very good chance at least here and in other parts of the world that once this wave is finished the serious part of the pandemic may be over.
As an exercise .. these are some of the things said in our federal governments statement regarding vaccinating 5-11 year olds. Keep in mind that here there has only been ONE child in that age group die with Covid throughout the whole pandemic and that poor kiddie had terminal cancer.
"ATAGI notes that real-world evidence on the safety of this vaccine in children aged 5-11 years is rapidly accumulating overseas, including data on the low rate of rare adverse events following immunisation, notably myocarditis, which the clinical trial was insufficiently powered to assess"
"The paediatric Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine has been demonstrated to reduce COVID-19 in children 5-11 years of age. Within an ongoing clinical trial evaluating the paediatric Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine in children aged 6 months to 11 years of age, results have been reported for the age group 5 to 11 years.1"
"Vaccine effectiveness data from real world experience are not yet available for children aged 5-11 years but are expected in coming months"
"Clinical trials were conducted prior to the emergence of the Omicron variant, and the results reflect vaccine efficacy against older strains of SARS-CoV-2. Vaccine efficacy or effectiveness against the Omicron strain is not yet known"
"The Pfizer clinical trial and safety expansion population included a total of approximately 3000 children who received the trial vaccine. The trial was therefore not powered to detect any rare unanticipated adverse events or to assess rates of myocarditis and pericarditis following immunisation in this age group"
"The risk of myocarditis or pericarditis after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination in children aged 5-11 years is not yet known but appears to be rare based on preliminary data from US surveillance networks. While early reporting in children aged 5-11 years in the United States suggests a very low rate of myocarditis following first and second doses, further data are expected in the coming weeks"
In weighing up the outcomes of the unvaccinated vs vaccinated that it finishes with
"There were no cases of severe COVID-19 in either group"
So now there is a big push to vaccinate kids in this age group at the moment. Does reading this give you any cause for concern .. ?? Given that one of the basic principles of medicine is "first do no harm" I also find your complete dismissal of vaccine injuries / reactions to be a little flippant and to be frank a little lazy There is clearly an issue with a very small percentage of young men developing cardiac reactions and i know for a fact talking to medical colleagues that there is a concerted push from the government health departments here to play it down. Sadly i have a lot less trust in governments of all sides now compared to pre pandemic.
I do agree about the mass media though btw. I don't see any integrity in reporting. Across the spectrum of political leanings.
