Court: California gay marriage ban is unconstitutional

[Cocaine]

"Proposition 8 serves no purpose - and has no effect - other than to lessen the status and human dignity of gays and lesbians in California - and to officially reclassify their relationships and families as "Inferior" to those of opposite sex couples." - Judge Stephen Reinhardt

Nothing more really need be said.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I can't disagree more. Siblings shouldn't marry for the fact that it's not fair to their children in so many ways, mostly because of retardation.

So you are saying siblings that are weird enough to actually want to get married aren't going to have kids if you outlaw them from getting married? They will still be making babies regardless.

 

[Archie Moses]

So you are saying siblings that are weird enough to actually want to get married aren't going to have kids if you outlaw them from getting married? They will still be making babies regardless.

Yeah, because that's exactly what I said. Moran.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Yeah, because that's exactly what I said. Moran.

No need to be rude. Moran.

 

[Scat]

All of this upheaval over nothing more than who one wants to stick their manhood in...

 

[GVC]

This thread is chuck full of disappointing statists who don't care one bit for freedom. It's all about equality these days, personal liberties be damned.



In what free world is anyone required to obtain permission from the state to marry? The Mormon position is the only pro-gay position on the table at this point and that's because it is the only pro-freedom position as well.

The state has no business being in the marriage business. None.

Noone should be required to obtain a marriage license before wedding their true love. Nobody. Not gay, not straight, not anyone.

Mormons fully support and promote civil contracts that are nothing more than a binding legal contract that protects each spouse/partner. Anything else is the antithesis to freedom.


Mormons = pro-gay rights. Anyone not in line with the Mormon position is a commie and a hater. Hacks.

Again, Frank, do you have a link that makes it clear that this is the church's stance. I've never heard anything like this before.

 

[franklin]

Again, Frank, do you have a link that makes it clear that this is the church's stance. I've never heard anything like this before.

A lot of that was my own ranting on the proper role of government intrusion. I don't want to be (too) misleading...

I've held the position since before I married that government has no business being in the marriage business. The LDS position is much more nuanced and unfortunately does not call for government to get out of the license granting business all together.

"The church does not object to rights (already established in California) regarding hospitalization and medical care, fair housing and employment rights, or probate rights, so long as these do not infringe on the integrity of the family or the constitutional rights of churches and their adherents to administer and practice their religion free from government interference," the introduction says.

https://www.deseretnews.com/article/700257603/LDS-Church-issues-statement-on-same-sex-marriage.html

 

[GVC]

A lot of that was my own ranting on the proper role of government intrusion. I don't want to be (too) misleading...

I've held the position since before I married that government has no business being in the marriage business. The LDS position is much more nuanced and unfortunately does not call for government to get out of the license granting business all together.




https://www.deseretnews.com/article/700257603/LDS-Church-issues-statement-on-same-sex-marriage.html

In other words, the church is taking, at best, a separate but equal stance.

 

[babe]

In other words, the church is taking, at best, a separate but equal stance.

Just to confess how wrong I can be, I seriously thought the LDS Church was about to adopt the GLBT agenda in a pro-active continuing effort to be part of the world, and of the world, with a revelation principle tied to the New World Order social engineering professionals. Policies developed by social scientists, and advertising done by Madison Avenue elite public relations firms, and leaders sporting memberships in the CFR, and having old-line dynasties like the Bush and Hammer forces promoting Mormons for high public office, while locating superspy operations to take advantage of unquestioning LDS authority-compliant bots is about as far from "saving the Constitution" as it is from actually believing any scripture.

But, apparently, some LDS people realized that they were being led by a gold ring in their nose, and started wondering what, if anything, of their Christian faith would remain. Too much, too soon.

Romney is just the man to ease us through the transition.

 

[Bronco70]

I'm with Franklin.

The gov't should recognize only domestic partnerships (homo or hetero) for whatever purpose(s) they must be acknowledged.

Marriage can/should be a religious and/or personal institution.

 

[Gameface]

I'm with Franklin.

The gov't should recognize only domestic partnerships (homo or hetero) for whatever purpose(s) they must be acknowledged.

Marriage can/should be a religious and/or personal institution.

That's basically my position as well. Either call it all marriage or call none of it marriage as far as the governemnt and "marriage licences" are concerned. If you have a religious marriage ceremony recognized by your church then you are married "in the eyes of God," right? If you have a judge perform your ceremony then you have a civil union/domestic partnership. Call it whatever you want amongst family and friends.

 

[PearlWatson]

As if the government is going to give back power it has already taken.