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Dante Exum re-signed

MVP said:
Would not call it great. He showed few flashes of great play with same old moments of "WTF is he doing". His jumpshooting was as bad as when he was drafted. I said I am ok with the contract as I understand why Jazz are giving it but it is a slight overpay and this talk about huge ceiling is becoming annoying. 4 years in the league we should stop talking about ceiling.
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We should stop talking about flashes when a player has really solid statistical performance. He was flat out performing consistently when he came back from injury. The only flashes were that he wasn't playing a ton of minutes.
 
Side note: Exum is really the only young player we have that could have trade value in a deal for a star, assuming he continues to make strides. It's important to keep him and have him on a long enough deal to maintain as a trade asset.

If he starts breaking out this year, teams that want and need to move a star might take him along with a pick and salary filler. Example: Exum, Thabo, 1st-rd pick for Butler.
 
Quin's Murderface said:
We should stop talking about flashes when a player has really solid statistical performance. He was flat out performing consistently when he came back from injury. The only flashes were that he wasn't playing a ton of minutes.
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14 games is too small of the sample but his 3 pt shooting was worst in his career. And despite performing "consistently good" how some of you guys claim he still had mostly negative advanced stats like OBPM, DPBM, BPM and 0.0 in VORP ( which granted is improvement compared to his first and third years)
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/e/exumda01.html

At the end of the day he is what he is - overpaid prospect despite being in the league for 4 years. As I said I have no problem with the Jazz overpaying him as it is sad current reality of NBA today and us being the small market team. Although I personally think smarter move would have been to wait a bit longer to see if there is any interest in him at all from other teams. From what I was reading everywhere else there was no reports of any other team interested in offering him anything. So maybe in 3-4 weeks Jazz could have had him for more realistic value not inflated by "ceiling"
 
Exum has to stay healthy and perform the way y'all believe he can. I have my doubts but I hope he proves me wrong.
 
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14 games is too small of the sample but his 3 pt shooting was worst in his career. And despite performing "consistently good" how some of you guys claim he still had mostly negative advanced stats like OBPM, DPBM, BPM and 0.0 in VORP ( which granted is improvement compared to his first and third years)
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/e/exumda01.html

At the end of the day he is what he is - overpaid prospect despite being in the league for 4 years. As I said I have no problem with the Jazz overpaying him as it is sad current reality of NBA today and us being the small market team. Although I personally think smarter move would have been to wait a bit longer to see if there is any interest in him at all from other teams. From what I was reading everywhere else there was no reports of any other team interested in offering him anything. So maybe in 3-4 weeks Jazz could have had him for more realistic value not inflated by "ceiling"
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I agree with this, but there is a lot to be excited about with Dante. Dude's going to be 23, but he hasn't really tapped his potential. He has posted negatives in a lot of advanced metrics, but he's improved during his time in those areas. He dropped on his 3p%, but his FG% and FT% improved to career highs (albeit small sample set). There is hope for him, but he has to be healthy and improve a ton. If he gets injured again, it's an albatross deal. If he can remain healthy, this has the potential to be an value contract like Ingles. And we need to keep in mind, Lindsey isn't known to gamble unless at least 4 sides of the dice are paying.
 
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Side note: Exum is really the only young player we have that could have trade value in a deal for a star, assuming he continues to make strides. It's important to keep him and have him on a long enough deal to maintain as a trade asset.

If he starts breaking out this year, teams that want and need to move a star might take him along with a pick and salary filler. Example: Exum, Thabo, 1st-rd pick for Butler.
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If he starts breaking out there's no team that could use him more than we can though... He fits the timeline perfectly...
 
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If he starts breaking out there's no team that could use him more than we can though... He fits the timeline perfectly...
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Maybe true, but the Jazz would have both options. If the Jazz have Mitchell, Butler and Gobert, plus a bit of cap space, it could attract a 4th piece in free agency and make the Jazz legit contenders.
 
I have serious doubts about Dante. As simple as I can put it, I don't think dude has the mentality to succeed. He's not lacking the physical makeup or athletic ability, rather I think he's missing it between the ears. I think he will always be sheepish and timid. And please dont bring up the Houston dunk to counter me in that. He looked as surprised as fired up.

I keep saying I hope I'm wrong though.
 
Bodhi said:
I have serious doubts about Dante. As simple as I can put it, I don't think dude has the mentality to succeed. He's not lacking the physical makeup or athletic ability, rather I think he's missing it between the ears. I think he will always be sheepish and timid.
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Did you not see that dunk in the Houston series?
 
I've been down on Dante from the beginning and have often complained about how overrated his defense is and how it was actually quite pathetic. This post is the opposite.

In his 14 regular season games, Dante was a top defender measured as fg% allowed. On stats.nba, there are 11 pages of players, assorted by range. Dante was consistently at the bottom of those pages (good) except 3 point %. Pages 8,9,10. Take out the outliers and those playing other positions and he's
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Maybe true, but the Jazz would have both options. If the Jazz have Mitchell, Butler and Gobert, plus a bit of cap space, it could attract a 4th piece in free agency and make the Jazz legit contenders.
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Joe Ingles is the 4th.

B/R has Butler ranked as 7th best in the NBA, which sounds high, but here's why:

Sans Butler, the 'Wolves can only muster a minus-4.5 net rating, for which the closest comparison is the season-long efforts of the lottery-bound New York Knicks (minus-4.2). Forced to rely more heavily on Andrew Wiggins' volume-scoring attempts, they descend into mediocrity on offense while completely falling apart on defense. But when this swingman is on the floor, that net rating soars to 8.3, which would leave them behind only the Houston Rockets (8.5) in the overall standings.

Let's put this another way.

When Butler is benched, whether because of injury or head coach Tom Thibodeau letting him rest (hah, as if that would ever happen), Minnesota plays offense like the No. 9 New Orleans Pelicans and defense like a significantly worse version of the No. 30Phoenix Suns. When he plays, the 'Wolves operate better than the No. 1 Golden State Warriors on offense and like the No. 11 Detroit Pistons on defense.
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndic...-50-players-in-the-2018-nba-playoffs.amp.html

I'd feel pretty damn good about 4 top 25 players (DM 25is and climbing, JI 30, RG and JB top 15) and Favors. Hell, I'd bring DM off the bench for Rubio on that team. Combined with the deepest supporting cast in basketball and opposing benches don't have a prayer. Utah would be 13 deep with MLE money to spend, the stingiest defensive team, and an offensive juggernaut.
 
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