Dear Fat People

[Deleted member 848]

I don't know if many of you guys know this but our intestines have more neurons than rats have in their brain. We literally have a second brain in our gut. What is interesting is that this interaction of our gut with our microbiota is a key factor in obesity. After giving obese mice the microbiota of normal rats the obese mice have become skinny repeatedly in studies performed.

https://www.nature.com/ajgsup/journal/v1/n1/full/ajgsup20125a.html

Here is a pretty interesting review about it.

Also, our gut determines much of our testosterone levels. If you give women microbiota of men, women will produce much more testosterone. Some people think microbiota determines autism and other things. Pretty interesting.

America really fell behind on Microbiome research in the 2000s, which allowed a lot of Canadian Universities to be trailblazers in this field.

A Calgarian doctor is already trying to create a 'poop pill' that harnesses a lot of the ideas mentioned in your post to treat C. difficile infections.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calg...eat-c-difficile-calgary-doctor-says-1.1895079

 

[TroutBum]

It's not unanswerable-- it's only unanswerable while maintaining to your approach to the issue. Your view of them simply 'not being willing' simply lacks perspective.

I'm ok with that. Just because you don't agree with my perspective doesn't mean that mine is wrong. (Which it's not, of course.)

If we are to assume that there's an equal distribution of 'lazy' people across the world, and laziness is the driving factor behind obesity, then every industrialized country in the world should have equal obesity rates. This is not the case.

I don't have an answer for this, sorry.

1) Note my use of the word 'predetermine'. Predetermine does not mean predispose.

Oooooh kay.

2) Awww!! The links you posted just did my job for me! From the TIMES article:

How do you figure? All it did was prove your statement, not withstanding your cute word game, was rubbish.

 

[The Blue Elephant]

You genetically dispositioned to produce a little more of the hormone cortisol than average? Cortisol promotes more energy to be used as fat and less as muscle. Similar with the protein myostatin. If you are genetically dispositioned to eat in a slight caloric surplus or to create a slightly less muscle mass with your calories over years and years two people can be very different with similar lifestyles and diet and be very different.

However, like intelligence, I think the genetic influence for obesity is exaggerated.

 

[Deleted member 848]

You genetically dispositioned to produce a little more of the hormone cortisol than average? Cortisol promotes more energy to be used as fat and less as muscle. Similar with the protein myostatin. If you are genetically dispositioned to eat in a slight caloric surplus or to create a slightly less muscle mass with your calories over years and years two people can be very different with similar lifestyles and diet and be very different.

However, like intelligence, I think the genetic influence for obesity is exaggerated.

You named two genes with loose dispositions-- there's tens more than we know of, and probably even more that we don't. Yet all of them are only found in tiny segments of America's obese population.

As a Genetics student, it's very obvious to me how much people exaggerated genetic links to common diseases-- especially chronic diseases.

Again-- if Genetics played a big role, that would mean that obesity rates would be constant over the past several centuries-- but, our genes haven't changed at all. Its our lifestyle that has changed. Sure, some people might gain weight a little easier than others, but everyone has the capacity to live a healthy life, obesity-free, regardless of his genetic composition (save for very, very, very rare circumstances).

Discussing genetics when talking about addressing obesity is simply the wrong way to approach the issue.

 

[Deleted member 848]

I'm ok with that. Just because you don't agree with my perspective doesn't mean that mine is wrong. (Which it's not, of course.)



I don't have an answer for this, sorry.

I'll answer for you-- it's because of the societal context that those populations live in. Everything from diet, to culture, to reduced income inequality, to transportation, to legislative-mandates on improving food access, health, and exercise access by the societal welfare nets in those respective countries-- these are some of very many variables that results in European countries not suffering with obesity & obesity-related illnesses to anywhere close to the same extent as the US.

If you simply try and address obesity to 'stop being lazy, and work harder', your are individualizing and depoliticizing a problem that is intrinsically social. Addressing obesity by telling people to eat healthier & work out more will work as well as it has up until this point in time.

How do you figure? All it did was prove your statement, not withstanding your cute word game, was rubbish.

It might be a word-game to you, but it's an enormous distinction in the field of Genetics. Even if I were to say 'disposition', it's very clear that even the disposition is meaningless (seeing as people who have that disposition were not obese for centuries-- along with the disposition representing a small, small segment of today's obese population).

 

[Jamezz]

All I know is that the fat ******* that lives beneath me came up to my place yesterday to complain about my smoking. Says the smoke seeps down to his apt and that he's 'allergic' to smoke. Damn fatso...

 

[RandyForRubio]

Right, being fat is more like being ugly than being short...except that being short is kind of ugly in a way too.

For the most part, weight is something people can control. Height isn't.

 

[Jamezz]

For the most part, weight is something people can control. Height isn't.

This. While I understand that some people have more 'fat genes' than others I see that many of these people with this metabolism make little to no effort to counter it. It's not even a matter of esthetics but a matter of health.

Also, having lived in Europe for 24 years, the amount of obese people is about the same BUT, the obese people in the US are far more obese than the ones in Europe for some reason.

 

[Beer]

No joke this literally happened. My wife was watching some awards show and I came in the living room and some fat chick was singing. I thought "Who is this fat bitch covering a Kelly Clarkson song." Then she walked off and they said that fatty was in fact Kelly Clarkson. My mind was blown.

 

[RandyForRubio]

Fully preventable? Not to millions of American families who are simply unable to live healthy lives, because their government is letting them down.

Average amount of money per person per month from food stamps: $133

Average amount per month from WIC: $44

Is that not enough for people? I eat pretty healthily and rarely go over $200 a month!

Fwiw, have you ever been to America? Have you ever been to inner-city America? Because you talk an awful lot about it, but I feel like I remember you saying you've never been here.

 

[Deleted member 848]

Average amount of money per person per month from food stamps: $133

Average amount per month from WIC: $44

Is that not enough for people? I eat pretty healthily and rarely go over $200 a month!

Clearly it isn't, if America has the highest rates of chronic illnesses in the developed world. Maybe you should look into what other nations are doing to improve their citizens' access to healthy diets and lifestyle

Fwiw, have you ever been to America? Have you ever been to inner-city America? Because you talk an awful lot about it, but I feel like I remember you saying you've never been here.

I've been to America three times, in fact. Baltimore, DC, LA, San Fran. I volunteered in inner-City Baltimore while I was there


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[RandyForRubio]

If you can't eat healthy on $133 per month, per person, you're doing something wrong. How much do you spend on food Dala?