Derrick Favors was the best defender in the league last season...

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  1. NUMBERICA

    NUMBERICA Well-Known Member

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    *for 23 minutes a game which allowed him to be in the best shape of his life, measured by an immediately noticeably flawed metric.
     
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  2. addictionary

    addictionary Well-Known Member

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    He always have been great, but Jazz did not have trouble covering the inside, they covered their gaps with the trades they've made this offseason. Favors is great but Jazz need different types of players to pay for right now and they got 'em. Was good for Faves too.
     
  3. Saint Cy of JFC

    Saint Cy of JFC Well-Known Member

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    He was not
     
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  4. Sandman822

    Sandman822 Well-Known Member

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    I think any all encompassing defensive statistic that puts Favors/Mitchell Robinson/Jones Jr/Nurkic/Kleber as a top 5 list is a flawed statistic.
     
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  5. One Brow

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    It doesn't claim to be all-encompassing, just looking at another aspect of defense (getting your opponent to miss his shot). Some might even say it's important.
     
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  6. NPC D4617

    NPC D4617 Well-Known Member

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    I bet we will miss Favors more than people anticipate.
     
  7. Saint Cy of JFC

    Saint Cy of JFC Well-Known Member

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    I think this is pretty much the peak of missing him unless Gobert misses a ton of games.
     
  8. themanknownassting

    themanknownassting Well-Known Member

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    Or plays against heavier centers.
     
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  9. Saint Cy of JFC

    Saint Cy of JFC Well-Known Member

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    Ehh, nah. Gobert was the better defender against traditional bigs.
     
  10. idiot

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    Not true in 2018-19. According to B-ball reference:
    Favors: +5.1 plus-minus when on court / 100 possessions, +0.1 net plus-minus / 100 possessions
    Crowder: +4.1, -2.8 respectively
     
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  11. idiot

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    Probably true, but mainly because of Ed Davis. If we got some run-of-the-mill backup center instead, it's probably a different story.
     
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  12. Sandman822

    Sandman822 Well-Known Member

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    That's literally the purpose of playing defense though lol, followed by if they're going to make a shot lets make sure it's not a high value shot (e.g. long 2s).
     
  13. One Brow

    One Brow Well-Known Member

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    More traditional metrics factor in things like steal, rebounds, blocks, deflections. They are all part of defense.
     
  14. Wes Mantooth

    Wes Mantooth Well-Known Member

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    That’s with Gobert?
     
  15. idiot

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    Nope: you hadn't qualified it that way in the original statement.

    It's true that Favors wasn't the best PF match for Gobert. (In fact, he was the worst, though the Jazz still had a solid +/- with him and Gobert together.)
     
  16. Wes Mantooth

    Wes Mantooth Well-Known Member

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    Sort of thought it was obvious but fair enough.
     
  17. Archie Moses

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  18. Ron Mexico

    Ron Mexico Well-Known Member Contributor

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    I mean it wasn't obvious. It was just an incorrect statement. By your same standard we were better with Favors on the court than Gobert. Since we had a better rating with Favors and the other starters than with Gobert. Favors was better than Jae in most lineups except if they played with a non shooting PG and non shooting other big. That's pretty specific.

    Either way our team is not only better but more suited to Snyder offensively.

    I wish we could have this team and Favors but that wasn't possible. Also Favors health is a big concern. Much more of a concern than Exums.
     
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  19. stitches

    stitches Well-Known Member

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    Favors played more minutes behind Gobert than with Gobert. Crowder played more minutes with Gobert than Favors did... actually almost twice as many.
     
  20. NPC D4617

    NPC D4617 Well-Known Member

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    How is Favors health much more of a concern than Exum's?
     

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