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Does Joe have to start?


Does Joe have to startM

  • Yes

    Votes: 19 57.6%
  • No

    Votes: 10 30.3%
  • Only on days ending in the letter 'y'

    Votes: 4 12.1%

  • Total voters
    33

infection

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Starting Joe may be the best thing for Joe, and starting Joe may also be the best thing for Rudy, and starting Joe may be the best thing for ball movement in the starting lineup. But starting Royce is best for Quin because that’s what he decided two years ago.
 


infection

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Joe starting would still give the bench units either Mike or Joe on the floor, and maybe just a few minutes of only Donovan. The bigger question is what you're doing about the early sub of Conley and Gobert and who comes in then (if you're still trying to do Gobert and Conley together against benches). This is also where Kris Dunn is nice.
 

campaignist

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Yes. Mainly because I view Royce as one of the worst starters in the entire league.
31 minutes for 7 points, 2 assist, and 4.7 rebounds is terrible. Now I think he has a place but 31 minutes for a slightly above average defender? No.
Can't agree more. It's not Royce's fault, the fact he starts is just indicative of how bad the rest of the team's defense and rebounding is. He'd be an absolute amazing guy off the bench, and having one more guy like him would put them in such a good position, though.
 

Jingled

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Yes, absolutely. And this isn't just because of the last two games, the sample size is much bigger than that. Ever since we got Conley and Bogey 3 years ago and moved Joe to the bench he has been less effective and then as soon as someone gets hurt and he moves back into the starting lineup he plays way better and the team also seems to play better. He needs a pick and roll big to be effective and Rudy is one of the best in the league, far better than Whiteside. Like I said in another thread yesterday, JC's usage rate is extremely high and Royce's throughout his career has been extremely low and he doesn't need the ball in his hands to be effective, I think those two would be a perfect fit together off the bench. When Joe comes off the bench he plays far too many minutes with JC and far too few minutes with Gobert.

I'm too lazy, but I wish someone would post Joe's stats over the past 3 seasons when he starts vs. when he comes off the bench, I think the difference would be shocking.
 

Handlogten's Heros

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Joe plus Rudy is great... Mike plus Rudy is great. I think you continue to start Royce and just play Joe when Rudy is on the floor. Limit his minutes. When a player is out he gets more. IDK that benching Royce is the best plan... maybe have him come out earlier.
 

Handlogten's Heros

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Yes, absolutely. And this isn't just because of the last two games, the sample size is much bigger than that. Ever since we got Conley and Bogey 3 years ago and moved Joe to the bench he has been less effective and then as soon as someone gets hurt and he moves back into the starting lineup he plays way better and the team also seems to play better. He needs a pick and roll big to be effective and Rudy is one of the best in the league, far better than Whiteside. Like I said in another thread yesterday, JC's usage rate is extremely high and Royce's throughout his career has been extremely low and he doesn't need the ball in his hands to be effective, I think those two would be a perfect fit together off the bench. When Joe comes off the bench he plays far too many minutes with JC and far too few minutes with Gobert.

I'm too lazy, but I wish someone would post Joe's stats over the past 3 seasons when he starts vs. when he comes off the bench, I think the difference would be shocking.
He was actually better as a bench player last year than as a starter. I think he just needs a solid pick and roll partner to be effective and Whiteside and Joe has not worked. Maybe you run it with Rudy Gay as the roll man? I don't expect Whiteside to play a ton in the postseason and think those minutes we go small. Although we haven't tried it at all yet... Whiteside has been great so I'm not sure you want to "bench" him but some strategic rest to try small ball seems appropriate. Just don't want him to check out.

I think the Conley, Donovan, Joe, Bogey, Rudy lineup is great in appropriate doses but has some rebounding issues... would almost rather get to a lineup where Bogey is out and Rudy Gay is in that spot. Perimeter defense will be rough though. I just am not sure what the solutions are... we have a lot of really good, but limited pieces.
 

Jingled

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He was actually better as a bench player last year than as a starter. I think he just needs a solid pick and roll partner to be effective and Whiteside and Joe has not worked. Maybe you run it with Rudy Gay as the roll man? I don't expect Whiteside to play a ton in the postseason and think those minutes we go small. Although we haven't tried it at all yet... Whiteside has been great so I'm not sure you want to "bench" him but some strategic rest to try small ball seems appropriate. Just don't want him to check out.

I think the Conley, Donovan, Joe, Bogey, Rudy lineup is great in appropriate doses but has some rebounding issues... would almost rather get to a lineup where Bogey is out and Rudy Gay is in that spot. Perimeter defense will be rough though. I just am not sure what the solutions are... we have a lot of really good, but limited pieces.

Are you sure about that? I know his scoring was quite a bit higher when he started last season and likely his assists and rebounds as well. I'm not sure about his shooting numbers but I wouldn't be surprised if they were better when he started.
 


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