Does Lauri Get Traded?

[Handlogten's Heros]

There are just so many two edged swords. If Collin and Walker improve... it means we win more... bad for draft pick... good for their value? If they struggle or get hurt... draft position benefits... their value tanks as they only have one year left on their cheap deals.

 

[Bawse Dawg]

There are just so many two edged swords. If Collin and Walker improve... it means we win more... bad for draft pick... good for their value? If they struggle or get hurt... draft position benefits... their value tanks as they only have one year left on their cheap deals.

I think the only bad result for next season is getting wins off the backs of vets who are not in the longterm plans.

Dump Clarkson and Collins and I really don't think there is a bad outcome possible.

 

[HermanG]

There are just so many two edged swords. If Collin and Walker improve... it means we win more... bad for draft pick... good for their value? If they struggle or get hurt... draft position benefits... their value tanks as they only have one year left on their cheap deals.

I think Collins top value is sort of limited as he is bit of a tweener for his position/role. If he improves in a way where he expands his role, then it could be a different story.

Kessler improving is gonna be great for his value so if that happens we should be happy about it.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Like if you could move Clarkson and Kessler to Atlanta for Capela and the Kings pick they own and maybe a second or two... is that good enough. The Kings pick is top 12 protected this year and top 10 protected next year. Saves Atlanta a bit of money this year... we can keep or waive Capela... I don't really care much as I think he's kinda washed and likely wouldn't be 100% for very long.

 

[Elizah Huge]

There are just so many two edged swords. If Collin and Walker improve... it means we win more... bad for draft pick... good for their value? If they struggle or get hurt... draft position benefits... their value tanks as they only have one year left on their cheap deals.

The thing is what is the value of them improving vs the value of our pick improving.

 

[idiot]

I beg to differ. Watching the same tired Mitchell-Gobert-Bogey team was absolutely terrible. Because the result was totally predictable even before the season started: a decent regular season where every player is playing the same exact role as the last year and the year before, followed by the inevitable limp first-round exit. And watching a squad of young prospects growing together is exciting because the result is unknown. Who will step up, who will fail, who will become a leader?

At the risk of responding too exclusively to you (I think you have good arguments generally), I'd say that this can work (for some fans) for about 2-3 years max. After that, despair likely becomes the dominant emotion. If the odds of tanking getting you a true transformative players are once in every 8 years, or even more optimistically once in every 5 or six, we have something of a mismatch (again, unless you're one of the lucky teams).

 

[KqWIN]

I think Collin has the best chance at coming back to bite us a bit if we sell low, but he also might drive winning more than Kessler now. I just think it has to be one of those two unless we find a sucker for a JC or two.

If the FO does not believe in Kessler....I think he should be traded, I don't think his value is all that diminished. Also, while he's not the greatest player in the world he could have an outsized impact on winning because our defense is so bad and he can the raise the floor quite a bit on that end. I guess similar things can be said for Sexton.....I just think with the way he started last season the way we sandbagged him you're going to eat value no matter what. It's difficult that we spent two years kind of hovering and we feel so iffy about our own guys.

The JC's are a little different because I don't think Clarkson helps you win much (though it's hard to be as bad as rookies)....but the real downside there is the PT resources he takes up. Collins can/will help the Jazz win, but will need some to time to continue to rehab his value + find a taker if there ever is one.

 

[framer]

I beg to differ. Watching the same tired Mitchell-Gobert-Bogey team was absolutely terrible. Becausethe result was totally predictable even before the season started: a decent regular season where every player is playing the same exact role as the last year and the year before, followed by the inevitable limp first-round exit. And watching a squad of young prospects growing together is exciting because the result is unknown. Who will step up, who will fail, who will become a leader?

Bull crap. Nobody was thinking when the Jazz had the best record in the Regular Season, "This is boring, I can't wait until the draft starts." I have definitely felt that way the last two years though. Things didn't turn out, bit it was hella fun right up until that point.

 

[jazznik]

I didn't include Harden (or Curry, if looking outside the top 5) because I went back to the 2010 draft (thus the last 15 drafts). That was an arbitrary decision to do 15 years and make a nice round number, not an intentional one to exclude Harden. But yeah, things can look different depending on the starting point. Things surely look better for the pro-tank argument if you go back further and include Harden, Durant, Lebron, Duncan, Wade, and so on. I'm not sure whether the fact that the production from top-5 picks over the last 15 years has decreased is due to random variability or to something else (stronger overall talent pool, better player development programs, etc.) But yeah, I would probably have included Lillard, Mitchell, Brunson, Butler in the same category as Zion, Morant, maybe even AD, and Brown. I wouldn't have put Kyrie in there because he's mostly been a disaster as a #1.

OK, I guess I miscounted a bit with Harden. But I do think that you overestimate the number of potential championship team leaders by including a bunch of guards. Historically, it has been incredibly hard to win a championship with your guard being a clear number 1. In the last 25 years it happened exactly 3 times: 2010 (Kobe), 2015 (Curry), 2022 (Curry). The 2024 champion had several stars with none being the clear number one, somewhat similar to that Detroit championship. You need to be on the level of the prime Kobe, Curry or Wade to lead your team to the championship. Brunson, Lillard, Butler, Harden, Mitchell are very good players but they a level or two below and are a natural fit for being a second option.

 

[jazznik]

Bull crap. Nobody was thinking when the Jazz had the best record in the Regular Season, "This is boring, I can't wait until the draft starts." I have definitely felt that way the last two years though. Things didn't turn out, bit it was hella fun right up until that point.

I meant the last two seasons as well. They were good seasons record-wise but I would have much preferred watching a young rebuilding team instead.

 

[Fosto]

I meant the last two seasons as well. They were good seasons record-wise but I would have much preferred watching a young rebuilding team instead.

We'll be lucky if this collection of mid young players ever even touch the same level as that "boring" team that was seen as a top contender, but ultimately fell short.

 

[framer]

I'm old enough to remember us letting Paul Milsap go in free agency to get a great draft pick in an historically good draft and in order to let the "young guys play." We tanked our way to 5 and do you know what happened?

We retooled later on late lottery and mid twenties picks to become relevant later with almost none of those pieces, or really getting value for those pieces. If Lindsey could luck into that, I am OK letting someone who has proven they know what they are doing cook, even if I don't always understand the why.