DOMA and Prop 8 bite the dust

[BabyPeterzz]

This discussion can be summed up here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=meiU6TxysCg#at=133

 

[Stoked]

Just out of curiosity...

What am I supposed to feel right now? I'm seeing so many facebook posts of people outraged. You'd swear that Romney was losing all over again!

Why are people, who are already married, so upset over this? I don't want a gay marriage therefore I'm not going to get one. Should I feel outraged right now?

I don't get it.

I seriously don't get how this is a big deal to anyone (other than those who it directly effects). For gays, yipee! They can get married! I understand why they'd feel excited today. But for heteros? Why are we so pissed? I don't get it. Gay people getting married to each other doesn't infringe upon my rights. It doesn't take away from my wealth or employment. it's not like we're invading Iraq again.

So why should I care?

Did you intentionally leave out all the FB posts showing praise and joy at the ruling or do you truly not have any friends that feel that way?

I have a healthy mix of both (leaning slightly more toward joy/praise).

 

[Deleted member 365]

Did you intentionally leave out all the FB posts showing praise and joy at the ruling or do you truly not have any friends that feel that way?

I have a healthy mix of both (leaning slightly more toward joy/praise).

The few people who are praising it on my Facebook, like Jim Dabakis, probably don't really need to be questioned as to why they are happy over this ruling. A few others? Going against the cultural norm here in Utah would be my second reason as to why they are celebrating. The other few maybe because they felt like it was a ridiculous piece of legislation? I just went through my newsfeed and counted 4 for. I'm not even going to bother counting the against. It's got to be at least 5x as many.

 

[Stoked]

The few people who are praising it on my Facebook, like Jim Dabakis, probably don't really need to be questioned as to why they are happy over this ruling. A few others? Going against the cultural norm here in Utah would be my second reason as to why they are celebrating. The other few maybe because they felt like it was a ridiculous piece of legislation? I just went through my newsfeed and counted 4 for. I'm not even going to bother counting the against. It's got to be at least 5x as many.

Huh, interesting. You live in the greater SLC area correct?

 

[HipHopAnonymous]

Just out of curiosity...

What am I supposed to feel right now? I'm seeing so many facebook posts of people outraged. You'd swear that Romney was losing all over again!

Why are people, who are already married, so upset over this? I don't want a gay marriage therefore I'm not going to get one. Should I feel outraged right now?

I don't get it.

I seriously don't get how this is a big deal to anyone (other than those who it directly effects). For gays, yipee! They can get married! I understand why they'd feel excited today. But for heteros? Why are we so pissed? I don't get it. Gay people getting married to each other doesn't infringe upon my rights. It doesn't take away from my wealth or employment. it's not like we're invading Iraq again.

So why should I care?

Short answer? Their religious leader told them what to think.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Huh, interesting. You live in the greater SLC area correct?

I live in Happy Valley. In all honesty, only 2 out of the 4 people celebrating this do I even know very well personally. Kinda crazy. Here are a few examples of what I'm mostly seeing:

Man's law doesn't equal God's law.

Who's side are you on?

there are checks and balances between the three branches of government, but who checks the people? and who can the people check?

I am curious to see the long term implications of this ruling.

a lower federal court can rule a state constitution (voted on by the people) unconstitutional. if a court can do that, what can't they do?

 

[Gameface]

Difference between Utah County and Salt Lake County = HUGE

Working in Utah county was a real eye opener. When they'd recruit engineers from out of state and then steer them towards housing in Utah Valley I just had to shake my head. When they start complaining I tell them they should have bought a place on the other side of the PotM and they wouldn't be having those problems.

 

[Bronco70]

I'm actually surprised by how little negative reaction I've seen on FB. I have a lot of strongly (read: annoyingly) conservative friends, who usually would be going nuts over something like this.

It's been pleasant, truth be told.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Difference between Utah County and Salt Lake County = HUGE

Working in Utah county was a real eye opener. When they'd recruit engineers from out of state and then steer them towards housing in Utah Valley I just had to shake my head. When they start complaining I tell them they should have bought a place on the other side of the PotM and they wouldn't be having those problems.

Just curious, what sort of issues/problems were they experiencing?

 

[colton]

https://www.deseretnews.com/article...act-to-DOMA-Prop-8-Supreme-Court-rulings.html



I get what is being said here... And yes... Where is the balance? The Judicial Branch sometimes seems to wield so much power! Yet...

I can't help but to feel like this is a poor argument.

"Well well, the majority voted for it so there! That's Democracy! Neener neener neener!"

I can't help but wonder if Mormons were happy with the Democracy being manifested as they were chased around all back east by "the majority?"

Would Mormons be happy if "the majority" voted to expel them from the Bible Belt?

Would this spokesperson be down if missions were kicked out of an area/prevented to proselyte by "the majority?"

Am I missing something? Because... If I am, I'd like to be corrected.

The thing I think you are missing is that as I see it the Prop 8 decision actually gives an enormous amount of power to the executive branch. It seems like the governor can now just decide to not enforce any law that he doesn't like, and the people are powerless to do anything about it because they "lack standing" to challenge the governor's decision. Or maybe I'm the one that's missing something.

 

[Gameface]

The thing I think you are missing is that as I see it the Prop 8 decision actually gives an enormous amount of power to the executive branch. It seems like the governor can now just decide to not enforce any law that he doesn't like, and the people are powerless to do anything about it because they "lack standing" to challenge the governor's decision. Or maybe I'm the one that's missing something.

But you have to have standing to bring suit. That's not new at all.

To claim to have standing you have to show a direct interest in the outcome, right?

The legal right to initiate a lawsuit. To do so, a person must be sufficiently affected by the matter at hand, and there must be a case or controversy that can be resolved by legal action.There are three requirements for Article III standing: (1) injury in fact, which means an invasion of a legally protected interest that is (a) concrete and particularized, and (b) actual or imminent, not conjectural or hypothetical; (2) a causal relationship between the injury and the challenged conduct, which means that the injury fairly can be traced to the challenged action of the defendant, and has not resulted from the independent action of some third party not before the court; and (3) a likelihood that the injury will be redressed by a favorable decision, which means that the prospect of obtaining relief from the injury as a result of a favorable ruling is not too speculative. Lujan v. Defenders of Wildlife, 112 S. Ct. 2130, 2136 (1992) (Lujan). The party invoking federal jurisdiction bears the burden of establishing each of these elements. Id.

People outside the state of CA and just regular folks who oppose gay marriage don't have standing. It's simple. And it's true. Gay marriage doesn't injure anyone. Case closed.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

And I strongly reject your opinion. USA.

Reject everything, feel less.