DOMA and Prop 8 bite the dust

[Gameface]

Just curious, what sort of issues/problems were they experiencing?

Lack of bars/liquor stores. Places closing at 8pm (they'd say. a little exaggeration I'm guessing). Alienation in their neighborhood. Their kids being treated poorly by the LDS kids (could just be a perception thing and their kid was just having a hard time making new friends). Lack of cultural activities outside LDS ones. And just general feelings of being a stranger in a strange land.

 

[Stoked]

But you have to have standing to bring suit. That's not new at all.

To claim to have standing you have to show a direct interest in the outcome, right?



People outside the state of CA and just regular folks who oppose gay marriage don't have standing. It's simple. And it's true. Gay marriage doesn't injure anyone. Case closed.

Where none of the claimants from CA?

 

[Gameface]

Where none of the claimants from CA?

Even if they were they needed to provide evidence of "injury in fact" which I imagine is hard to do when gay marriage doesn't injure anyone.

 

[scootsy]

Even if they were they needed to provide evidence of "injury in fact" which I imagine is hard to do when gay marriage doesn't injure anyone.

not really debating you, but it remains to be seen whether or not children of homosexual relationships will thrive or suffer.

 

[Deleted member 365]

not really debating you, but it remains to be seen whether or not children of homosexual relationships will thrive or suffer.

Correct me if in wrong... But aren't we a lil behind a few European countries when it comes to this issue? Have they experienced any negative consequences?

I'm just trying to figure out why some Americans feel like reinventing the wheel here when it comes to health care, immigration, the economy, and gay marriage. Im not accusing you of being like this but so many (in general) think we live in a vacuum. Believe it or not, other countries have the same issues as we do. And some, might even be ahead of us on them.

 

[scootsy]

Correct me if in wrong... But aren't we a lil behind a few European countries when it comes to this issue? Have they experienced any negative consequences?

i've read studies supporting both sides.

 

[scootsy]

essentially both sides are dismissive of the arguments against, both sides use statistics that may mischaracterize or mislead....

it's an agenda issue, hard to find unbiased studies.

 

[Gameface]

not really debating you, but it remains to be seen whether or not children of homosexual relationships will thrive or suffer.

If those children or their guardians want they might have standing. Other's concerned for the welfare of the children do not have standing.

 

[Deleted member 848]

i've read studies supporting both sides.

This can also be said about coffee enemas curing cancer.


From what I've read, from what I've encountered, AND from just using plain logic: I have to the conclusion that some people are just bad parents in general, and it doesn't have anything to do with the sexual orientation of your parents.


My parents are still together and heterosexual, but my father didn't really have much of an influence on me growing up-- nor did he have any sort of advice or guidance as I was growing through something like puberty.


Fortunately, family doesn't stop just at parents and siblings. I received guidance, and emulated multiple different male role models in my life.


If anything, I think a responsible gay couple would place extra emphasis on having a female friend/relative establish a good friendship with their potential daughter.



It REALLY doesn't strike me as a huge deal, tbh.

 

[colton]

But you have to have standing to bring suit. That's not new at all.

To claim to have standing you have to show a direct interest in the outcome, right?

Who exactly would have had standing in this case, in your opinion?

People outside the state of CA and just regular folks who oppose gay marriage don't have standing. It's simple. And it's true. Gay marriage doesn't injure anyone. Case closed.

I agree that people outside CA shouldn't have standing here, but afaik all parties here were CA residents. And as to whether gay marriage injures anyone, that's your entirely subjective opinion. Aside from the societal impact which granted is also very subjective, I could see that taxes may increase if this changes the state employee marital benefits.

 

[scootsy]

This can also be said about coffee enemas curing cancer.


From what I've read, from what I've encountered, AND from just using plain logic: I have to the conclusion that some people are just bad parents in general, and it doesn't have anything to do with the sexual orientation of your parents.


My parents are still together and heterosexual, but my father didn't really have much of an influence on me growing up-- nor did he have any sort of advice or guidance as I was growing through something like puberty.


Fortunately, family doesn't stop just at parents and siblings. I received guidance, and emulated multiple different male role models in my life.


If anything, I think a responsible gay couple would place extra emphasis on having a female friend/relative establish a good friendship with their potential daughter.



It REALLY doesn't strike me as a huge deal, tbh.

agreed.. the only reason i say anything is because i ran across these quotes.

Children fare best on virtually every indicator of wellbeing when reared by their wedded biological parents. Studies that control for other relevant factors, including poverty and even genetics, suggest that children reared in intact homes fare best on the following indices:
- Educational achievement: literacy and graduation rates;
- Emotional health: rates of anxiety, depression, substance abuse, and suicide;
- Familial and sexual development: strong sense of identity, timing of onset of puberty, rates of teen and out‐of‐wedlock pregnancy, and rates of sexual abuse; and
- Child and adult behavior: rates of aggression, attention deficit disorder, delinquency, and incarceration.

Consider the conclusions of the research institution Child Trends:
[R]esearch clearly demonstrates that family structure matters for children, and the family structure that helps children the most is a family headed by two biological parents in a low‐conflict marriage. Children in single‐parent families, children born to unmarried mothers, and children in step‐families or cohabiting relationships face higher risks of poor outcomes. . . . There is thus value for children in promoting strong, stable marriages between biological parents. . . .“t is not simply the presence of two parents, . . . but the presence of two biological parents that seems to support children’s development.

According to another study, “[t]he advantage of marriage appears to exist primarily when the child is the biological offspring
of both parents.”

 

[BabyPeterzz]

agreed.. the only reason i say anything is because i ran across these quotes.

Where do you think most gay couples get their kids. I'd be willing to bet the vast majority come from adoption. You should be asking yourself, "Do adopted children fair better than those who live it out in foster care or the streets."

Using studies like this are off base and straight up dense. What's it going to take to realize you're on the wrong side of this argument?