Donald Fires FBI Director who's investigating Russian Election Hacking

[DutchJazzer]

Yeah again, I trust Comey 100 times more than I do Trump.


I guess my issue is if we're looking at impeachment, you currently have the Republican controlled house (238 to 193), as well as the Senate (52 to 46). So far the Replublicans have remained very loyal to Trump (with a few exceptions). So in order to turn those Republican votes against Trump and to impeach him, I would think you would need more than Comey's hand written notes to turn them.


I mean if there were audio recording or a third party who witnessed it, then it's game over. But the notes themselves, I don't know if that would make the Republicans who currently control the House and the Senate vote against Trump.

if you believe in notes. i got some notes from god himself, that says you should pay me 500 bucks a month.
sorry no audio recording

 

[DutchJazzer]

Holy **** this is the most ridiculous thing I've read today. Putin (former KGB agent mind you) is less of a danger to US interests than dems? The same Putin that has been trying to undermine democracy around the world? The guy who poisons his political enemies? That Putin?

Stop calling yourself a patriotic American, it's clear from this post you are the furthest thing from.

ofcourse we are right!

i mean le pen lost, to a rich white man. do you see anywone from the right screaming patriarchy or misogny sexism etc?

the fact that people used those buzzwords for clinton, and it did not work. they went to the next buzzword.
racist, bigot, homophobe, mysoginy, nazi, fascist none of those word works anymore. so they found a new word to use. Russia/RUSSIANS!

hahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahaa

they have not learned a single thing!

the democrats and msm have gone of the rail. Russia is the buzzword.

 

[DutchJazzer]

I Utah is about70% republican, and I'm a democrat, and Dutch is oh not even an papered American, just more of an American at heart.

america is based on libertarian ideals.
life liberty pursuit of happyness! so thats why every libertarian is an american at heart.
i have seen enough left wing ideologies around the world, some run fine for now. but sooner or later they all collapse or go maniacal like italy,china,russia and Nationalsozialismus-Germany



the constitution is based on LIBERTY!
so as a libertarian the constitution of the usa closest represent my ideals

 

[Red]

I know what Red's beliefs are, and a little of the why. I have tried to encourage him not to just believe whatever is in print. I see him try to make his points in a substantial way. I don't mind talking to him, though we have pretty different views.

It might, or maybe not, surprise you to learn that I still lean, at this point, toward believing "this Russian thing", as Trump like to call it, may never reach as high as Trump himself. I've long felt that Manafort and Flynn(both now under intense examination by the FBI, and I have long said follow the money where Manafort is concerned), as well as Carter Page, all had close connections with the Kremlin, and Trump did not have to necesserily have to be involved in any of that. And with his well known short attention span( NATO allies are being asked to make their talks brief next week for just this reason, Trump cannot follow complex points), I'm certainly not convinced he could have actually hatched a complex collusion plan with Putin. The Special Council may end up being the best thing that could happen for Trump. Time will tell.

As to what I read, I do believe the Washington Post and New York Times are generating excellent investigative journalism. And while I enjoy talking with you, I do honestly believe you are detached from reality in your interpretations of Trump.

BTW, the Flynn thing just keeps getting more bizarre. Thanks to great investigative journalism, we now know he told Trump's White House Council that he was under FBI investigation over his work with Turkey, and yet, Trump still made him National Security Advisor, and only fired him after the press leaked stuff about Flynn. I would like to know why that lapse of judgement occurred...

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/05/trump-knew-flynn-investigation/527142/

 

[Red]

I know what Red's beliefs are, and a little of the why. I have tried to encourage him not to just believe whatever is in print. I see him try to make his points in a substantial way. I don't mind talking to him, though we have pretty different views.

It was good investigative journalism that told Americans Trump asked Comey if he would pledge loyalty to him. Investigative journalism that revealed Trump, not illegally, but quite improperly, asked Comey if he, Trump, was under investigation himself. It was good Investigative journalism with good sources that revealed Trump revealed the highest level of classified intel to the Russians, intel that endangers the life of an Israeli agent embedded deeply within ISIS. Good investigative journalists that revealed and had read to them a contemporaneous memo making note of the fact that Trump asked Comey to drop any investigation of Flynn, the one revelation that, more then any other, has led to the appointment of a Special Council. Which Council, BTW, can still be fired by Trump, so hold your breath, Trump haters.

There is a good old fashion newspaper war going on between the Post and Times, and it is generating excellent journalism. Yet, despite it all, it is Trump himself, in choosing to fire Comey, that has put Trump in the position he now finds himself. There is no point suggesting I not pay attention to or believe what I am reading. It's all very real, maybe all too real, and at the same time, your own description of Trump, beginning with your characterization of him in previous threads, as being such a people-loving compassionate human being, that strikes me as more fantasy then fact. Of course we cannot see eye to eye, and I doubt we ever will. I can appreciate your sentiment of wanting to help me understand things from your perspective, but I really do find that perspective to be off the deep end nuts.

So, I will continue to depend on journals like the Washington Post and New York Times for information, and dismiss wholeheartedly the notion that Trump and his clueless base subscribe to that such news outlets represent "fake news". Of course his base believes that. But, so much of his base are simply brainwashed followers of a cult of personality. I prefer referencing thinking people, educated people, who recognize a bulls**ting demagogue when they see one.

 

[Jonah]

Good points all around, Red. The New York Times and the Washington Post have been consistently producing important and necessary investigative journalism for years. The inability to separate their neoliberal editorial policies (with which I routinely disagree) from their news stories is shallow news consumption. Ignoring our two most consistently excellent sources of investigative journalism leads to a narrow and cloistered view of the world.

 

[Stoked]

I think the media is frothing at the mouth to get rid of the President. They are intentionally playing up anything possible. Literally anything.

But that does not mean that there is not a clear need for an investigation. I am quite pleased with Mueller being named the prosecutor. He has proven he can and will stand up to a WH when needed. He stood up to Bush in 2004 over an NSA program. Along with Comey. He also has a fairly broad authority to investigate and go anywhere it takes him (from what I understand). This is something I wanted for quite a while. It will hopefully reveal the truth and then we can all move on.

But all this talk from some Ds about impeachment is nothing more than political point scoring with their base. We don't truly know that much yet and calls for any definitive action like that are dramatically premature.

 

[Harambe]

It's babe. Par for the course.

This.

May be a titch more than babeness right now. Blame the liberal media.

 

[Harambe]

if you believe in notes. i got some notes from god himself, that says you should pay me 500 bucks a month.
sorry no audio recording

I'm sure you do. You're not an FBI agent. Nor could you be construed as "ethical" when trying to post something on the internet.

FBI notes and memos have held up in court historically.

 

[Harambe]

I think the media is frothing at the mouth to get rid of the President. They are intentionally playing up anything possible. Literally anything.

The media's gonna snatch up anything they can. They did with the birtherism nonsense, the Clinton scandal, the Clinton Email scandal... the list goes on. The absolute hottest thing right now is Trump's bat **** insanity. Closely following; Inadequacy for the job of President, levels of implied corruption. The three hottest stories right now revolve around the guy and his cabinet. As it sits, you can't expect them not to peck at the VERY large, VERY heavy fruit that is now sitting at ground level.

But is it ethical to hound at this level?

Do you think it wise to form a journalistic ethics probe into the top five or so media agencies?

 

[Stoked]

The media's gonna snatch up anything they can. They did with the birtherism nonsense, the Clinton scandal, the Clinton Email scandal... the list goes on. The absolute hottest thing right now is Trump's bat **** insanity. Closely following; Inadequacy for the job of President, levels of implied corruption. The three hottest stories right now revolve around the guy and his cabinet. As it sits, you can't expect them not to peck at the VERY large, VERY heavy fruit that is now sitting at ground level.

But is it ethical to hound at this level?

Do you think it wise to form a journalistic ethics probe into the top five or so media agencies?

There was a CNN report about how much ice cream Trump ate in comparison to the reporters that happened to be with him.

Yes it's the media and they have been doing it for years and years but it's gotten ridiculous. There is a difference between crap like that and talking about the special investigator and the Russian/trump connections. Obviously that needs to be talked about but it feels, to me at least, that the media is in danger of jumping the shark.

One can have this view of the media and still feel that there are real problems with the Presidency. I am glad it is being investigated.

 

[DutchJazzer]

There was a CNN report about how much ice cream Trump ate in comparison to the reporters that happened to be with him.

Yes it's the media and they have been doing it for years and years but it's gotten ridiculous. There is a difference between crap like that and talking about the special investigator and the Russian/trump connections. Obviously that needs to be talked about but it feels, to me at least, that the media is in danger of jumping the shark.

One can have this view of the media and still feel that there are real problems with the Presidency. I am glad it is being investigated.

jumping the shark is subjective to the viewer!
seriously every single show has been accused by part of the base for jumping the shark at 1 moment or another!

as you stated to you it feels they are in danger of jumping the shark, but for a lot of people they jumped the shark long ago! would not say the majority. but somewhere near half the people