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Stoked said:
I think the media is frothing at the mouth to get rid of the President. They are intentionally playing up anything possible. Literally anything.

But that does not mean that there is not a clear need for an investigation. I am quite pleased with Mueller being named the prosecutor. He has proven he can and will stand up to a WH when needed. He stood up to Bush in 2004 over an NSA program. Along with Comey. He also has a fairly broad authority to investigate and go anywhere it takes him (from what I understand). This is something I wanted for quite a while. It will hopefully reveal the truth and then we can all move on.

But all this talk from some Ds about impeachment is nothing more than political point scoring with their base. We don't truly know that much yet and calls for any definitive action like that are dramatically premature.
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Any possibility of impeachment is a long way off, in both probative and political terms, so we’re in for posturing from both sides for months if not a year or more.

BTW, I’m fine with a special prosecutor, but the idea that this will get at the truth and enable us to move on is not an accurate representation of the special prosecutor’s job, which is to narrow the investigation to possible criminal conduct. A bipartisan independent commission is necessary to get at the full truth. Here's a nice article from David Frum, an established long-time conservative, on the limitations of a special prosecutor:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/05/a-special-prosecutor-is-not-the-answer/526662/
 
Jonah said:
Any possibility of impeachment is a long way off, in both probative and political terms, so we’re in for posturing from both sides for months if not a year or more.

BTW, I’m fine with a special prosecutor, but the idea that this will get at the truth and enable us to move on is not an accurate representation of the special prosecutor’s job, which is to narrow the investigation to possible criminal conduct. A bipartisan independent commission is necessary to get at the full truth. Here's a nice article from David Frum, an established long-time conservative, on the limitations of a special prosecutor:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/05/a-special-prosecutor-is-not-the-answer/526662/
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What I expect from the special prosecutor is a presentation of the facts. If that leads to impeachment or criminal prosecution than so be it.

I don't feel that a commission is needed at this time. Keep in mind that the congressional hearings will still go forward. I think the Comey briefing could be huge one way or the other.

Personally I am enjoying chaotic inferno that the two parties have become. Hopefully this turns off millions of voters. A pipe dream I'm sure but one I am clinging to lol
 
Stoked said:
I think the media is frothing at the mouth to get rid of the President. They are intentionally playing up anything possible. Literally anything.
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I guess that's one way of looking at it. On the other hand, this is shaping up to be the biggest political scandal in US history. It could be that the media hates Trump and wants to damage him, or they could just be doing, you know, their jobs.

Let's get a little perspective here. Yesterday's news that the Trump team was aware of an active FBI investigation into Mike Flynns foreign entanglements when they made the decision to make him NSA would have been the biggest scandal of his presidency if it had been done by Obama.

It was like the third biggest news story yesterday.
 
Zombie said:
I guess that's one way of looking at it. On the other hand, this is shaping up to be the biggest political scandal in US history. It could be that the media hates Trump and wants to damage him, or they could just be doing, you know, their jobs.

Let's get a little perspective here. Yesterday's news that the Trump team was aware of an active FBI investigation into Mike Flynns foreign entanglements when they made the decision to make him NSA would have been the biggest scandal of his presidency if it had been done by Obama.

It was like the third biggest news story yesterday.
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lol, stop with the "they would have done it" excuses. Terrible argument. My reply to that is the same as when Bush was brought up on Obama stuff. Obama isn't in charge anymore and this isn't about him. Never a good argument.

I have almost 0 faith that this is about the media "doing their jobs". All your call for perspective is is an attempt to make your view on it the norm.

And I am not defending the President. I am glad the congressional hearings and a prosecutor was named. It needs an investigation. Absolutely. But no, I don't believe the media is doing their job in any kind of good faith.
 
trump is gonna go down as the worst president in us history, surprising no one.
 
Stoked said:
lol, stop with the "they would have done it" excuses. Terrible argument. My reply to that is the same as when Bush was brought up on Obama stuff. Obama isn't in charge anymore and this isn't about him. Never a good argument.

I have almost 0 faith that this is about the media "doing their jobs". All your call for perspective is is an attempt to make your view on it the norm.

And I am not defending the President. I am glad the congressional hearings and a prosecutor was named. It needs an investigation. Absolutely. But no, I don't believe the media is doing their job in any kind of good faith.
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What excuse? My point is that in comparison to any presidency in my lifetime, Trumps takes the cake in terms of scandal. It wasn't the media that made Trump hire Flynn, then lie about knowing he was compromised, then ask the FBI director to drop the investigation, then fire him when he didn't.

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Zombie said:
What excuse? My point is that in comparison to any presidency in my lifetime, Trumps takes the cake in terms of scandal. It wasn't the media that made Trump hire Flynn, then lie about knowing he was compromised, then ask the FBI director to drop the investigation, then fire him when he didn't.

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I disagree. I have faith that he will get that title before it's all over but not yet. There are bigger negative marks and scandals IMO.

Like Iraq's MDWs and Fast and Furious.
 
Stoked said:
I disagree. I have faith that he will get that title before it's all over but not yet. There are bigger negative marks and scandals IMO.

Like Iraq's MDWs and Fast and Furious.
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Haha. OK man.
Edited to add, I should make clear I don't just mean he takes the cake in terms of how bad his scandals are, but also how many there have been.

I mean we've got the Flynn thing, obstruction of justice over the Russia election meddling, the fact he's been in violation of the emolulents clause from day one (which in my opinion actually hasn't gotten enough media coverage), giving Israeli intelligence to the Russians in a fit of bragadoccio, asking the FBI to jail reporters who publish leaked info, that's just in four months and I'm sure I'm forgetting some things.

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Zombie said:
Haha. OK man.

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And why would those not be bigger? They resulted in peoples deaths and huge expenditures of money.

This thing with the current admin is currently only the allegation of misuse of power and collusion with a foreign government.

IMO to much of the scandal and impeachment talk is because he is a egomaniacal jerk that is more concerned with his hand size and his profits than the American people IMO. As bad as that is and looks it's not scandal.

Now, could this whole Russian//Comey/Flynn thing have legs? Absolutely. But at this point it is to much BS and opinion and not enough facts. Let's see what is found in the congressional hearings and by Mueller before we start assigning labels like the "biggest scandal in US history". It's way to early for that IMO. To me that is simply a byproduct of your (for example) disdain for him.

I get that, there's a ton of stuff not to like.
 
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