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Joe Bagadonuts said:
A third party vote by a Utah voter will not make a bit of difference. Because of the Electoral College Dalamon's vote in this election (which he doesn't get to cast) matters exactly as much as mine.
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My point is that if that sentiment is held by many in states that actually do impact the election, then it will give is Killary.
 
Red Jazz Fan said:
My point is that if that sentiment is held by many in states that actually do impact the election, then it will give is Killary.
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I have a feeling that the third party vote will be very high in this election cycle. It could impact the outcome, but I have no idea which candidate that will ultimately favor. There are a ton of Bernie voters who say they would never vote for Hillary so the idea that all third party votes help her makes no sense at all.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
Same here. Hell, if the people who have promised to move to Canada if he gets elected all follow through with their promise Trump might turn out to be a great president for that alone.
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I'm so game with influx of female American hipsters. Pls send em to Alberta specifically.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
I have a feeling that the third party vote will be very high in this election cycle. It could impact the outcome, but I have no idea which candidate that will ultimately favor. There are a ton of Bernie voters who say they would never vote for Hillary so the idea that all third party votes help her makes no sense at all.
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This-- the Dems matched the RNC choosing a very unpopular candidate by also choosing to support a very unpopular candidate.

I don't know how you can look at open primary voting numbers for Hillary as a DNC exec and not be alarmed.

I'm firmly of the belief that Trump will win the American election if Hillary is nominated. Hillary is the exact kind of politician that Trump will completely bulldoze through in the debates. It might be the female skeletons in his closet that does him in, but I just can't see Hillary garnering any enthusiasm outside of the Dem base-- barring her turning right
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
I don't see this at all. In fact my overwhelming impression of both men is that they are arrogant narcissists who get by on their charisma. There are differences in some (but not all) of their policies. I can think of thousands of people who are far more polar opposite from both of these men than they are from each other.
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Are any presidential candidates in recent history not arrogant narcissists?

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fishonjazz said:
Are any presidential candidates in recent history not arrogant narcissists?

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The GOP unprincipled elites don't give a damn if Hillary gets elected, they know they will rise again, and still have their salaries and perks, riding on all the hate Hillary will generate.

Trump, however, just might win whoever the Dems put up front, because the Dems are just that stupid already.
 
fishonjazz said:
Are any presidential candidates in recent history not arrogant narcissists?

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I don't think Reagan was. I assume there are people out there who disagree with me, but they are wrong. This isn't really how I see either Bush either, but that's up for debate. That said, I completely agree with your point. Our system strongly favors arrogant narcissists. I was responding to the assertion that Trump and Obama are opposites because to me, at their core, they are incredibly similar.

Edit: I originally read your post as "presidents" not "presidential candidates." Bernie is a great example of a candidate who does not fit this mold at all. I think Romney, McCain, Kasich, Biden and more do not fit this mold either.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
I don't think Reagan was. I assume there are people out there who disagree with me, but they are wrong. This isn't really how I see either Bush either, but that's up for debate. That said, I completely agree with your point. Our system strongly favors arrogant narcissists. I was responding to the assertion that Trump and Obama are opposites because to me, at their core, they are incredibly similar.

Edit: I originally read your post as "presidents" not "presidential candidates." Bernie is a great example of a candidate who does not fit this mold at all. I think Romney, McCain, Kasich, Biden and more do not fit this mold either.
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I think those you mention simply hide it better

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