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Donovan refuses to say whether or not he wants to be in Utah moving forward

I think the Hawks would be a good target for Rudy -- Capella/Okongwu, Collins and a pick. I'm also intrigued by Jalen Johnson as a young prospect.
I think they are probably the best match… I think they keep Okongwu… hopefully we could get Capela/Collins and Hurter or Bogey and their first this year but there is a chance they tell us nah. We all kinda think Capela can do some Rudy stuff at half price… they might think that too and look to upgrade in other ways.

I worry the suitors for Rudy won’t be as great as we think.
 
We have yet to bend over backwards or cater to Donovan. That time might be coming.


Note: getting Paschall and not playing him is not catering to Don.

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Tim MacMahon, Andy Larsen, and many other reporters with inside information would beg to differ. Open up your eyes, the catering began long ago and is only going to get worse from here.
 
We have yet to bend over backwards or cater to Donovan. That time might be coming.


Note: getting Paschall and not playing him is not catering to Don.

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Getting Paschall was for Donovan. There was some other stuff in an espn article. That’s an acceptable level of catering… but it’s catering. We let Neto walk for nothing and he was Rudy’s homey… so just good for thought.
 
Tim MacMahon, Andy Larsen, and many other reporters with inside information would beg to differ. Open up your eyes, the catering began long ago and is only going to get worse from here.
We have been over this?

How do we cater to Don? Who is the system built around? On both ends?

Insider information? So what - Don picks the food? What tangible thing have they done to cater to Don on the court?

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Getting Paschall was for Donovan. There was some other stuff in an espn article. That’s an acceptable level of catering… but it’s catering. We let Neto walk for nothing and he was Rudy’s homey… so just good for thought.
You're so lame if you are saying Paschall vs Neto. Who cares? Paschall was a small ball C we had success with this postseason and he never played.

Neto was let go for money. It was stupid. He wasn't let go for Don. That train of thought is toxic and you're better than that.

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We have been over this?

How do we cater to Don? Who is the system built around? On both ends?

Insider information? So what - Don picks the food? What tangible thing have they done to cater to Don on the court?

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From Tim MacMahon's ESPN article. If you don't consider all of this catering to Donovan then I don't know what to say.

MITCHELL'S INFLUENCE WAS felt in a flurry of moves during the 2021 offseason, including one noteworthy departure and several additions. Mike Elliott, vice president of performance health care, "decided to pursue other opportunities outside the organization," the Jazz announced in a news release at the beginning of training camp.

Mitchell, team sources said, had lost confidence in Elliott during the recovery process after spraining his right ankle in mid-April 2021, an injury that sidelined the All-Star the final month of the regular season.

Mitchell then increasingly relied on the expertise of his personal athletic training staff, which was assembled by his representation at Creative Arts Agency and led by Miami-based David Alexander.

Mitchell became irate when Elliott determined before Utah's playoff opener that he wasn't ready to return, a decision made after Mitchell had been informed by another member of the team's medical staff that he was cleared and participated in the morning shootaround.

Sources say Mitchell, who aggravated the injury later in the first round and was hampered defensively due to his limited lateral quickness the rest of the playoffs, didn't demand Elliott's departure.

Smith, Wade and team executives had been alarmed by how the situation unfolded. And staffers who clash with stars -- and by extension the front office and ownership -- usually don't stick around.

Among the additions:

  • Murphy Grant was hired by the Jazz as an athletic trainer dedicated solely to Mitchell. Grant, who had been a senior associate athletic director and athletics health care administrator at Wake Forest, interviewed initially with Mitchell, Mitchell's mother Nicole, and one of his agents.
  • Irv Roland, a respected player development coach who worked with James Harden in Houston, was added to Snyder's coaching staff. Mitchell had often worked during offseasons with Roland, who has emerged as a strong voice for social justice causes in his native Oklahoma and around the nation in recent years. Roland works with Mitchell during pregame and individual sessions.
  • Frank Donalds, Mitchell's personal security guard, was put on the Jazz's payroll, a perk that is common for NBA franchises to give high-profile stars.
  • Mitchell strongly suggested the Jazz acquire forward Eric Paschall, his childhood friend. Paschall, who like Mitchell is represented by CAA agent Ty Sullivan, had been a first-team All-Rookie selection in 2019-20 but fell out of the Golden State Warriors' rotation in the latter half of last season. The Jazz ultimately traded a protected future second-round pick for Paschall.
A clear message had been sent: Mitchell's comfort in Utah was a top organizational priority.
 
Getting Paschall was for Donovan. There was some other stuff in an espn article. That’s an acceptable level of catering… but it’s catering. We let Neto walk for nothing and he was Rudy’s homey… so just good for thought.

Jake Fischer mentioned on a podcast right before the trade deadline that he'd heard the Jazz were keeping Royce out of all trade discussion so as not to upset Donovan.
 
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From Tim MacMahon's ESPN article. If you don't consider all of this catering to Donovan then I don't know what to say.
The Elliott thing is speculation. And the official statement is Elliott left us.

So we hired his trainer and body guard? Does that impact the on court dynamics? We still run systems built around Rudy or Rudy like big men.

Paschall was brought in to be a small ball C. He was worth a shot since our big man system sucks in the playoffs. But it didn't work according to Quin so he didn't play. If he played and it didn't work, people could claim Don influence. He didn't play so no, it didn't impact the court.

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Couple things:

The reason you end up recycling a player like John Collins if the Donovan trade doesn’t work out is because at that point you are going to be forced to rebuild. Had you taken a pick heavy package then you likely got more draft value than you would trading Collins a year later. Unless you think you are holding on to him… which the upside is going from a 30 win team to a 35 win team?

If the plan is to blow it up it also helps you find more bidders for Rudy. Take Dallas for example they don’t have a great win now package they would offer but they could throw out like 3-4 unprotected firsts… that isn’t an acceptable package if you are keeping Donovan and trying to win. There isn’t going to be a lot of teams in that bidding pool… probably 5 teams. You may cut that in half if you aren’t considering the pick centered packages.

With regard to the other players… you can likely find draft or young player packages for Mike or Bogey… doing those while keeping Donovan signals that we aren’t trying to win now and increases the chances he bounces.

With regard to Donovan’s value… assume he’s healthy and plays like 1-2% better. Going from 3 years down to 2 years left on his deal will lower his value to some teams… you are in the contract range of “team X would be interested in trading for Donovan but only if he signs an extension… and his team has said no”. Less bidders means less offers… may not change his value and you may be fine… I will admit that.

But you also have to consider there may be a bidder that says “we can pay a premium to get Donovan now… he may love it here… but if he doesn’t we can move him in a year for 80-90% of what we paid.” So a team like Detroit might pony up a top 4 pick, Jerami Grant, Hayes, and another pick or two… but if there are only 2 years left they might not want to risk it.

Another consideration is injuries happen… there is a greater chance that he will suffer a terrible injury than the chance that we will be good enough to convince him to stay. If he suffers an ACL injury midway through the season who is ponying up a similar package.

Finally I am very much of the opinion that if we trade Rudy we are likely a lotto team next year… I think we’d be a play in team. So instead of getting a top 5 pick and having a chance at a true superstar… we’d be end of lottery. There is serious value there.

The reason I was confused with Collins is that I simply used him as a placeholder, I just think ATL is the most obvious destination. It didn't make sense to me why it was a downside that you had to trade him if Rudy was traded, but not if Don and Rudy were both traded. I suppose that trading/not trading Don affects the package you'd seek for Gobert, but I think you're going to get the worst value out of Gobert for seeking future facing assets because the only teams interested are less likely to have premium future assets. I don't really see it as a problem to trade a player like Collins again anyways. Is that a problem because our head decision maker is part time because he's too lazy? Really shouldn't be a problem and I also like the potential gains from building up youngish players like Collins versus taking distant first round picks from sure fire playoff teams. The expected value of having 3 future firsts from a Luka-Gobert Mavs team is probably like one rotation caliber player. That's just my opinion, but I know others see it the other way. For example, I hated the return the Rockets got for Harden....but to this day there are still a people whose opinion I respect that say the Rockets got away with robbery.

I also value the year of evaluation with Don+trade package no matter what kind of package that is. Trading Don is a pivotal decision, and I would rather see what we have before making that move. The downside of waiting means little compared to the information gathered. If wants to play here another year, I think he would welcome the addition of younger players and the idea that the team is building around his timeline. I don't think he's going to commit to this team, but also say we have to keep this creaky old roster around him. And like I said before, increasing the chances of Mitchell bouncing is not really a consideration I have. Him playing for the Jazz beyond the contract is not a consideration I'm making because it's so unlikely. I just think it's better to be patient with his trade rather than be in a rush to tank.

I can't dispute the fact that playing adds some degree of injury risk, but that's really not enough for me to say that Don has to be moved. If you're really that scared, you can SGA him or do the AD thing....but I would not let that fear get in the way of making the best decision. I think it's way more likely you get a better deal by waiting. Donovan can become a better player, and waiting for a better deal has proven beneficial in just about every situation where a big name player has been traded. If you commit to trading him this off-season, you're really limiting your options. If the situation comes up where Don demands that Rudy be traded immediately, for example, that is really bad for our expected return on Rudy. I wouldn't self inflict that detriment for Don as well.

As far as losing the top 5 pick this year....yeah that's valuable. But you also still have Donovan Mitchell as an asset and he's valuable. If you want to tank, there has to be a logical end to it all and it's the same regardless of when you start that process. You don't lose a year of tanking because you started it a year later. It's just delayed a year. I'm willing to give Don a year, overhauling most of the roster + Quin, and then reassessing the pieces from there. Hell, even if Don demands a trade after thinking about it in a week I wouldn't be in a rush to trade him this summer. At some point the Jazz are going to have to show some strength and play hard ball for once.
 
I think the Hawks would be a good target for Rudy -- Capella/Okongwu, Collins and a pick. I'm also intrigued by Jalen Johnson as a young prospect.

ATL is far and away the most likely destination IMO. There are a million ways that trade could get done because the Hawks have a good variety of assets. It would put the Hawks at the top of the East...basically switching places where the Jazz were, which is a desirable place if you build a balanced team that isn't soft.

I think getting Collins is a given....Collins seems like an unhappy camper. I hope the Jazz can get Okongwu or Hunter in addition.
 
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