Are you trying to equate conservatives and Trump with nihilism and mass murder? That's both a real reach and a new low for you.
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Are you trying to equate conservatives and Trump with nihilism and mass murder? That's both a real reach and a new low for you.
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No, and if that’s all you got after reading my post then I got nothing for ya. Try reading it again and reading my links so you don’t continue to embarrass yourself.
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Maybe it will and maybe it won't.Okay, first oF all, when we're talking about gun violence in the U.S. let's talk about the biggest problems first.
The biggest issue, by far the most murders, happens with semi-auto handguns. Add suicides and accidental gun deaths, semi-auto handguns are the biggest issue... by a lot.
But we don't want to address the biggest issue first. We want to address one of the smallest. High-profile public space mass shootings.
So if that's the problem we want to solve, don't generalize U.S. gun violence and then pretend you're addressing that larger issue when you're addressing a very specific cause of gun deaths that accounts for a very small fraction of total gun deaths.
So, public space mass shootings. Semi-automatic rifles are definitely the gun of choice. Partly for functional reasons, partly because these rifles are in style and the best selling firearms over the last decade or so. They are currently the F150 of firearms, more than most their owners ever need, but when you're keeping up with the bubbas it's pretty much a must have.
These semi-auto rifles have a ****-ton of fun accessories that can be clamped right on them, from red dot heads-up sights, to flashlights, to bipods, to bull-pup fore grips, and on and on and on. But the big one, the one that makes these easy for low skill shooters to do a lot of damage with in these mass shootings are the magazines with large capacities. Commonly known as hi-cap mags, these most often come in 20-round and 30-round capacities, but you can get more. If you want a lot more you can get those drum magazines.
These AR-15 rifles are pretty easy to shoot. The recoil isn't bad at all, they are light for what they are. They aren't too long so you can swing the barrel around pretty easily.
So this is top of the list for "reasonable gun control." First, they may do what California has done, and restrict the number of "assault style features" you can have. So things like collapsable stock, detachable magazine, flash suppressor, fore grip, etc. But the only one that really matters is the magazine capacity and having a detachable magazine. The rest are either just very practical features that in some cases make the gun safer to use, like the adjustable stock, which makes it so the user can properly hold the rifle, or they're mostly cosmetic but have minimal benefits that have never really come into play in these mass shootings, like a flash suppressors. The fore grip looks aggressive, but it's purely cosmetic and really just allows a person to shoot less accurately, which makes the gun less safe even when used responsibly.
So if you want to limit magazine capacity and not allow semi-auto rifles to have detachable magazines... say that.
If you don't want any semi-auto rifles at all... say that (you'll be banning a lot of legitimate hunting rifles if that's the rule)
This is a semi-auto Remington 7400 30-06. This is a hunting rifle.
But while AR-15s are the popular gun at the moment I personally don't think they are much more effective for the kinds of mass shootings we've seen than your typical semi-auto handguns. You can get pretty high capacity magazines for 9mm handguns, they are generally easier and faster to change magazines. They wouldn't work as well over medium to long distances, but most of these things aren't really happening beyond 50ft. Within 50ft I'd argue you'd be better off with 3-4 9mm same model handguns carrying 16rnds per magazine with a belt full of additional magazines.
But since these mass shootings are more about the show and the shock, 9mm handguns haven't been the weapon of choice. Stupid since they weigh a lot less, the ammo weighs a lot less, the magazines are smaller round-for-round, magazine changing is faster and easier (with moderate skill) and you're not shooting at "hard" targets so the 9mm +p is going to do everything in that situation that a .223/5.56mm would do.
But if it makes everyone happy, let's start by banning semi-autos with high capacity detachable magazines. Maybe it'll make a difference?
Doing nothing certainly won't make a difference. We can be sure of that
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They’re Still absent I do believe. Pretty hilarious.
Good article in LA Times on commonalities among mass shooting perpetrators...
https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2019-08-04/el-paso-dayton-gilroy-mass-shooters-data
https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2019-08-04/el-paso-dayton-gilroy-mass-shooters-data
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Internationally how can we be perceived as anything but an incredibly violent nation when there's compulsory firearm education for children?
How can we claim we're safe for international visitors when we are legislated to teach children about firearms?
How can parents feel about the safety and FUTURE of their children when the entire country is FORCED into firearm safety?
It's just a bad look all around.
And yet, the evidence is there, right?
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Overseas we just think you are so ****ing crazy.
You don’t sell beer to U21 but at 22 they walk around with automatic rifles...
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The truth is that our government is crazy and brainwashing the people here, making people believer we're so wonderful when the truth is that we are the evil empire. It's so ridiculous, all this patriotic gore; it makes me sick. But people swallow it and think we have an enemy under every rock, when it turns out our real enemies are our next door neighbors who think they need guns to protect themselves from poor, homeless immigrants who have no place else to go. People think I'm crazy because I tell them our government killed JFK and 9-11 was an inside job. Many people refuse to believe it, but it's in the history books, all the details, all the reasons why those events happened. Crazy that people who think that the WMD excuse to go into Iraq was a ruse can't connect it to 9-11. Just look at the damn video of the implosions. If you know anything about building skycrapers, you know that they couldn't have fallen like that if they were hit by planes. It drives me crazy that people are so ****ing dumb, not crazy, just stupid. And it's all about the almighty dollar, that's what is driving this country to its demise.
Nice rookie post
What about the biggest problems?
Why not pick the lowest hanging fruit first?
These mass shootings are terrorism. But our actual problem is so much bigger. That's what I'm trying to talk about. I'm not talking about doing nothing. I'm saying let's talk about the elephant in the room before we talk about the raccoon in our garbage can.
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I’ve never seen one person walking around with an automatic weapon.
I don't think understanding firearms is a bad thing at all, for anyone.
But in the U.S. we have a Bill of Rights that in Amendment 2 guarantees a right to keep and bare arms.
This is our reality. This is not something that will be changed. This will not change if we have a Democratic President, a Democratic House and a Democratic Senate. This is not something that is going to change.
So this is something we have to deal with as a reality.
If gun rights are a fundamental part of our society then gun education has to be part of our reality as well. That's not sad. That is something that will actually make a difference.