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Discussion in 'Utah Jazz' started by Saint Cy of JFC, Jun 24, 2010.
I know my Vandals are not good.
wrong. And, how did you not catch this PKM?!? Maker's Mark again? haha
Also, of course I wasn't avidly watching the Verizon League (or whatever). And, even if I watched every second of his ONLY run through the tournament, I'd still claim that I didn't know much about him.... because that would be true.
I wasn't posting back when we drafted Hayward, but I was cautiously optimistic. But when Deron threw that ball at him when he didn't do the run through on the fast break I was really questioning the pick. Well Deron is gone and Hayward is looking like he will make the all-defensive team in the next year or two.... who knew he would be so good defensively???
My bad, forgot the last one didn't have him on it.
Polished off .. but, yeah .. good catch!
I think it's safe to say KOC got it right, have to admit at the time I never even saw Hayward going in the lotto. I was hoping that somehow Monroe whould fall to us when that fell through I wanted Davis. Thank god I'm not KOC
Same here Xavier was who I wanted most, didn't like any of the big men (Davis or the Kansas kid that OKC took) that was left and the person I wanted least was Babbit (think that was the kid from NV) and wasn't all that high on George or Hayward but wanted George 2nd most after Xavier from who was available.
Im man enough to admit when im wrong... even if i look incredibly stupid in the process.
I thought we had to draft a big guy since we had no boozer and no jefferson at the time... I hated aldrich, and i knew monroe would be gone so I wanted...... Hassan(?) Whiteside.
Thank god i am not in KOC position.
At least last year we took both guys i would have picked and i was more excited about getting burks than any draft before (including the d-will draft. I wanted paul at the time). I thought burks would be gone by 8th pick and thought he was a top 5 talent.
Despite a lot of the flak that KOC takes, I would say that he and his staff have a good eye for talent and potential. Sure you get a few busts and head cases, but it would be interesting to see how he matches up with his peers over the course of his career.
That is me. It may be sad but it has no interest to me.
I think he is clearly a good GM. Look how fast he has rebuilt the Jazz various times. He can clearly keep us competitive year in and year out. The question that remains (and so far has been a resounding no) is can he take the Jazz from contender to champion.
they had championship quality teams, they just couldn't beat the refs.
Refs don't win or lose games players coaches win, and lose games. I don't believe in this kind of thinking.
Football yes basketball no.
you can believe whatever you want, but you are wrong.
Hayward seems like a solid player who i believe will become one of the more efficient players in the league. Watching him play the celtics he was 4 for 5 from the field in the first half. against a tough defensive team like the celtics to watch someone not only make smart shots but as well show the skill to make some tougher shots really makes me encouraged about him. His defense as well impresses me. He's thrown players like Kobe off their game not to mention his double block against the celtics the other night. He's a future all star imo. Plus i'd love to have him on any team in a playoff run. Watching him play for butler, and almost winning a championship makes me think highly of him in pressure situations like the playoffs.
I agree, but it does come back to some of the topics that circulate through this board over and over. You have to work within the framework that you are given. Utah is never going to be a preferred destination for top tier free agents. I don't care how good we are or which superstars we pick up through the draft. Also, Utah is likely never going to have the type of deep pockets that other large market teams enjoy. That could possibly change, but it's very unlikely. That's two very large obstacles to building a championship caliber team. Even so, it's not impossible. We need only look as far as San Antonio and OKC for examples. I think that this is what leads to all the discussion about tanking seasons. Those two examples involved getting some very unique players in the draft. As appealing as that may sound, I believe it's unethical and it's not a sure thing by any measure. I still hold out hope that one day we'll be rewarded with a championship done the "Utah" way. We already came close several years back and were stopped only by Michael Jordan, so there's no reason to believe this group of players and management can't lead us there.
Is it unacceptable to go back and those that are saying that Hayward was the demise of the Jazz, and neg rep them?
Just need a second opinion.
I think it is wrong to neg rep them for having a wrong initial opinion of the guy. Are they still talking down about him? If so then maybe.
I just am not a fan of neg repping for a difference of opinion. Differences of opinion are ok. They are not bad things to have.